Comments on: Forgotten Indian Diaspora In Europe – 1000 years ago http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/ Look Again. Different Picture, Different Story Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:01:37 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Tamara http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2723 Tamara Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:46:30 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2723 Maisim Rromni. I am a sixth generation tribal American Karldarash Rromani....yes American Rromani Princess I was born and raised within the subculture of the American Rromani.My grandfather was the only official American Rromano Karldarash leader in the history of America, him and his Uncle "Oh Chifto" and a secretary of State in the early nineteen hundreds helped to bring many many tribes of the Karldarash families with my Sixth generation fore fathers and thier following sons, into America.There was Rromani in America before this, two of them was slaves on the ship that Columbus came upon and to our Native American First indigenous, that was not our choice and we would give up our lives before voluntary harming your people as a whole race, even if there is some lost Rromani out there that would. My Grandfather's name was Toma Stanley.He was a decorated World war 2 Captain, Diplomat for the United States Government. Strong Command of 27 different languages, traveled the world twice to visit the world Rromani groups and whatever at the time there was of human right organisations trying to assist. He had a seventh grade education. His life is documented in the Smithsonian Institute. I have many relatives and am a descendant of the European Karldarash Rromani amd yes, our homeland by all accounts verified is from India. I am thankful that you have shown the unprecedented and insane facts of our true time line of persecution; which with no exaggeration it is really only the tip of the iceberg until today. If you would like evidence, please visit the "Patrin" web site where you will see under time line, the documentation of Rromani throughout history and that which has been there punishment for existing. Most information out there is stereo type money making hooey. The leading documentation I could send you to is Ian Hanacock; Professor and director of the Rromani Archives in the Texas University in Austin Texas. No matter how many times we will stand up and say; present day Gypsy bathrooms and Euro bathrooms. Good evidence of forced sterilization of the women going on "RIGHT NOW". Present day only special need schools, segregated daycares, videos on utube to prove it, evidence through more formal avenues also available. Distaste for us, lie about us, thinks we are disgusting as anyone would of some of us when they treat us like garbage in their homelands where they have no way of bing hygienic or clean water, space to habitat (and that is if there is few children or not). As I write this there is Rroma children moved with their families to toxic waste lands, so much evidence of poison the teeth of all family members are black and all test results are proven. NO ONE will do anything. Media only focuses on the "minority" criminal element, out of that Minority is an even smaller number that does so for reasons other then absolute survival life and death. .Ghettos in Europe, poor education "if" we get to educate in some areas. The slander, harrasment, misunderstanding, ill treatment subhuman animalistic deneyal that we are equal is......indescribable. We do not have to get fair treatment as those in Darfur or South Africa, as they are looked upon as innocent where we are vilified for a thousand years and forced into criminal behavior because of it....chasing our tail don't you think?? Organisations, Governments that have to get forced to admit what is happening does and then the People whom are competing and resenting our presence "has" to blame someone for the poverty of thier own Country and economic crisis. Of course there are rotton low life greedy lazy Rroma, just as there is rotten low life greedy lazy every other color in the world..."thankfully" it is in the minority not majority.... for all races, including ours I pray. Did anyone know there is Many Countries that have thousands of Rromani in their homeland who get along very well, educated, integrated, celebrated, contributing members of Society. How is it that the very same race is so inhumane in one Country and somehow when treated with equal rights well loved in another?? When you see people saying crazy things like "why did they have so many children when they can not afford?" Why do they live like that? I wish Hitler would have killed all those lazy filthy scum. They do not like to work, you don't understand they are inferior to us. They hate school and all people outside there race, its there culture. "GYPSY TEARS". Stereo type, mythological, dancing on tables, stealing children. crooked nose, old scary hag, Ezmerelda, all of our traditional medicine is fake, yet somehow Companies throughout the world keep selling millions of dollars worth of imitations of our sacred herbal formulas, reading cards,movies, books, metaphysical awareness. If we steal children but yet hate every one else besides our people?????? How can this be? People by the generations have been taught to fear us for nothing, vampire insanity. So few actually go to look at a verified documentation of our History. Ghandi embraced us, Dali Llama yet not good enough. 70% of us in America are Christian now, before that religions as vast as the sea and very devoted to a One creator of all and still, that makes no difference. How many times are we in the news for crime compared to every other race? We are the largest minority in Europe but still we make no contribution? Either they hate us or they want to take and become us. They can not just be humane and understand once and for all we are. they can not stand up with us so we no longer have to tell the school, the employer, the newspaper when we are famous or even our own "CHILDREN" , I am Romanian, Italian, Greek, "anything" except for Rroma or "GYPSY" our derogatory name. Of course there is Rroma, real Rroma that do not mind the G word, of course they know not better and for some we have been calling our selves that for generations with pride. they do not know the roots the insult. Of course there is some whom have reverse prejudice, ignorenace towards so many if not all other outside races, would it not be possible for any race that has went through this? Of course there is responsibility on all sides but when so many hate us; which side do you think we will be on until it changes somewhat resembling fairness. Imitators stealing now the only things we have left, our traditional culture, music, spiritual awareness. all these things taken out of context of such big and private matters, how rude, how cruel. Rromani wish for big families and have "hope" especially when they are young, that it will be better for them and their children. Rromani view wealth as prosperity and of course, big family, grandchildren. Rromani if you were to look at our own social and spiritual laws, it is indeed a fact that we are more like OCD cleaning and not the opposite. Just ask the countless of girls and women in our culture that are taught for generations how to sterilize till our hands rub off. We are not afraid of the earth dirt. We are not afraid of just enough germs that keeps us healthy. We do not live in disgusting conditions, less the Europeans force our people there. WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS IN A HUMAN EXPERIENCE JUST LIKE YOU ALL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are doing our best to integrate without assimilation, community controbution without institution but even when they force us, we are not even allowed to "assimilate"! Dysfunctional behavior comes with generations of upon generations of ridicule, unfounded hatred, fear, stereo typing, disgust for no reasons. Suspicion and criminal behavior comes from "HUNGER", WEARINESS", ANGER" tired of watching insanity in one's life ...no matter how much one does not play victim,take responsibility. Do you know what it is like for the world to not recognize you are real?? Do you know what it is like for the world's media to not show the millions of non Roma that love us? Do you know what it is like to know our spiritual beauty, cultural wealth, devotion to the highest laws of our consciousness! Do you understand that our race has been hated and maimed more then Native American and African American "COMBINED". I do not yell at you, I yell to awaken you as our relations. THERE IS A VERY BIG LIE GOING ON. BLESS YOUR AWARENESS, OURS, OUR EVOLUTION, PEACE AND HEALING...PLEASE..... STOP HATING AND TAKE INTEREST. Maisim Rromni. I am a sixth generation tribal American Karldarash Rromani….yes American Rromani Princess I was born and raised within the subculture of the American Rromani.My grandfather was the only official American Rromano Karldarash leader in the history of America, him and his Uncle “Oh Chifto” and a secretary of State in the early nineteen hundreds helped to bring many many tribes of the Karldarash families with my Sixth generation fore fathers and thier following sons, into America.There was Rromani in America before this, two of them was slaves on the ship that Columbus came upon and to our Native American First indigenous, that was not our choice and we would give up our lives before voluntary harming your people as a whole race, even if there is some lost Rromani out there that would. My Grandfather’s name was Toma Stanley.He was a decorated World war 2 Captain, Diplomat for the United States Government. Strong Command of 27 different languages, traveled the world twice to visit the world Rromani groups and whatever at the time there was of human right organisations trying to assist. He had a seventh grade education. His life is documented in the Smithsonian Institute. I have many relatives and am a descendant of the European Karldarash Rromani amd yes, our homeland by all accounts verified is from India. I am thankful that you have shown the unprecedented and insane facts of our true time line of persecution; which with no exaggeration it is really only the tip of the iceberg until today. If you would like evidence, please visit the “Patrin” web site where you will see under time line, the documentation of Rromani throughout history and that which has been there punishment for existing. Most information out there is stereo type money making hooey. The leading documentation I could send you to is Ian Hanacock; Professor and director of the Rromani Archives in the Texas University in Austin Texas. No matter how many times we will stand up and say; present day Gypsy bathrooms and Euro bathrooms. Good evidence of forced sterilization of the women going on “RIGHT NOW”. Present day only special need schools, segregated daycares, videos on utube to prove it, evidence through more formal avenues also available. Distaste for us, lie about us, thinks we are disgusting as anyone would of some of us when they treat us like garbage in their homelands where they have no way of bing hygienic or clean water, space to habitat (and that is if there is few children or not). As I write this there is Rroma children moved with their families to toxic waste lands, so much evidence of poison the teeth of all family members are black and all test results are proven. NO ONE will do anything. Media only focuses on the “minority” criminal element, out of that Minority is an even smaller number that does so for reasons other then absolute survival life and death. .Ghettos in Europe, poor education “if” we get to educate in some areas. The slander, harrasment, misunderstanding, ill treatment subhuman animalistic deneyal that we are equal is……indescribable. We do not have to get fair treatment as those in Darfur or South Africa, as they are looked upon as innocent where we are vilified for a thousand years and forced into criminal behavior because of it….chasing our tail don’t you think?? Organisations, Governments that have to get forced to admit what is happening does and then the People whom are competing and resenting our presence “has” to blame someone
for the poverty of thier own Country and economic crisis. Of course there are rotton low life greedy lazy Rroma, just as there is rotten low life greedy lazy every other color in the world…”thankfully” it is in the minority not majority…. for all races, including ours
I pray. Did anyone know there is Many Countries that have thousands of Rromani in their homeland who get along very well, educated, integrated, celebrated, contributing members of Society. How is it that the very same race is so inhumane in one Country and somehow when treated with equal rights well loved in another??
When you see people saying crazy things like “why did they have so many children when they can not afford?” Why do they live like that? I wish Hitler would have killed all those lazy filthy scum. They do not like to work, you don’t understand they are inferior to us. They hate school and all people outside there race, its there culture. “GYPSY TEARS”. Stereo type, mythological, dancing on tables, stealing children. crooked nose, old scary hag, Ezmerelda, all of our traditional medicine is fake, yet somehow Companies throughout the world keep selling millions of dollars worth of imitations of our sacred herbal formulas, reading cards,movies, books, metaphysical awareness. If we steal children but yet hate every one else besides our people?????? How can this be? People by the generations have been taught to fear us for nothing, vampire insanity. So few actually go to look at a verified documentation of our History. Ghandi embraced us, Dali Llama yet not good enough. 70% of us in America are Christian now, before that religions as vast as the sea and very devoted to a One creator of all and still, that makes no difference. How many times are we in the news for crime compared to every other race? We are the largest minority in Europe but still we make no contribution? Either they hate us or they want to take and become us. They can not just be humane and understand once and for all we are. they can not stand up with us so we no longer have to tell the school, the employer, the newspaper when we are famous or even our own “CHILDREN” , I am Romanian, Italian, Greek, “anything” except for Rroma or “GYPSY” our derogatory name. Of course there is Rroma, real Rroma that do not mind the G word, of course they know not better and for some we have been calling our selves that for generations with pride. they do not know the roots the insult. Of course there is some whom have reverse prejudice, ignorenace towards so many if not all other outside races, would it not be possible for any race that has went through this? Of course there is responsibility on all sides but when so many hate us; which side do you think we will be on until it changes somewhat resembling fairness. Imitators stealing now the only things we have left, our traditional culture, music, spiritual awareness. all these things taken out of context of such big and private matters, how rude, how cruel. Rromani wish for big families and have “hope” especially when they are young, that it will be better for them and their children. Rromani view wealth as prosperity and of course, big family, grandchildren. Rromani if you were to look at our own social and spiritual laws, it is indeed a fact that we are more like OCD cleaning and not the opposite. Just ask the countless of girls and women in our culture that are taught for generations how to sterilize till our hands rub off. We are not afraid of the earth dirt. We are not afraid of just enough germs that keeps us healthy. We do not live in disgusting conditions, less the Europeans force our people there. WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS IN A HUMAN EXPERIENCE JUST LIKE YOU ALL”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are doing our best to integrate without assimilation, community controbution without institution but even when they force us, we are not even allowed to “assimilate”! Dysfunctional behavior comes with generations of upon generations of ridicule, unfounded hatred, fear, stereo typing, disgust for no reasons. Suspicion and criminal behavior comes from “HUNGER”, WEARINESS”, ANGER” tired of watching insanity in one’s life …no matter how much one does not play victim,take responsibility. Do you know what it is like for the world to not recognize you are real?? Do you know what it is like for the world’s media to not show the millions of non Roma that love us? Do you know what it is like to know our spiritual beauty, cultural wealth, devotion to the highest laws of our consciousness! Do you understand that our race has been hated and maimed more then Native American and African American “COMBINED”. I do not yell at you, I yell to awaken you as our relations. THERE IS A VERY BIG LIE GOING ON. BLESS YOUR AWARENESS, OURS, OUR EVOLUTION, PEACE AND HEALING…PLEASE….. STOP HATING AND TAKE INTEREST.

]]> By: American Perception Of Gypsies « Quick Take – As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2655 American Perception Of Gypsies « Quick Take – As It Happens Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:51:12 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2655 [...] about how the Romani Gypsies come at the bottom of the ethnic perception surveys. There seems to be total indifference to their social situation by the persecuting majority – unlike the affirmative actions taken for the African Americans in the USA or the [...] [...] about how the Romani Gypsies come at the bottom of the ethnic perception surveys. There seems to be total indifference to their social situation by the persecuting majority – unlike the affirmative actions taken for the African Americans in the USA or the [...]

]]> By: Threat to bomb Indian community centre in Belfast- Hindustan Times « Quick Take – As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2370 Threat to bomb Indian community centre in Belfast- Hindustan Times « Quick Take – As It Happens Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:28:23 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2370 [...] When the Roma Gypsies were attacked and assaulted, ‘knowing’ readers responded that it was the fault of the Roma Gypsy! [...] [...] When the Roma Gypsies were attacked and assaulted, ‘knowing’ readers responded that it was the fault of the Roma Gypsy! [...]

]]> By: Gypsies face Northern Ireland ethnic violence « Quick Take – As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2255 Gypsies face Northern Ireland ethnic violence « Quick Take – As It Happens Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:04:06 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2255 [...] the immense contribution by the Roma Gypsies to European culture and life. Is it because: [...] [...] the immense contribution by the Roma Gypsies to European culture and life. Is it because: [...]

]]> By: Apply command responsibility! « Quick Take – As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2115 Apply command responsibility! « Quick Take – As It Happens Mon, 11 May 2009 12:01:17 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2115 [...] the immense contribution by the Roma Gypsies to European culture and life. Is it because: [...] [...] the immense contribution by the Roma Gypsies to European culture and life. Is it because: [...]

]]> By: Zombies versus churails « Quick Take – As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2110 Zombies versus churails « Quick Take – As It Happens Sun, 10 May 2009 18:50:41 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2110 [...] a 100 years after the Hussite Wars, the European persecution of the Roma Gypsies began in full earnest. And during WW2, the Vatican joined with the Nazi collaborators, the [...] [...] a 100 years after the Hussite Wars, the European persecution of the Roma Gypsies began in full earnest. And during WW2, the Vatican joined with the Nazi collaborators, the [...]

]]> By: Modi fails the Kalinga test - The Economic Times « Quick Take - As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2015 Modi fails the Kalinga test - The Economic Times « Quick Take - As It Happens Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:44:29 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-2015 [...] Like the many false apologies, made or not made, after the genocide of Jews, Native Americans, or the Roma Gypsies or the Australian aborigines, and then get on with [...] [...] Like the many false apologies, made or not made, after the genocide of Jews, Native Americans, or the Roma Gypsies or the Australian aborigines, and then get on with [...]

]]> By: Mr.Kaplan wants apologies from Narendra Modi « Quick Take - As It Happens http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1993 Mr.Kaplan wants apologies from Narendra Modi « Quick Take - As It Happens Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:43:30 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1993 [...] - like the false apologies, made or not made, after the genocide of Jews, Native Americans, or the Roma Gypsies or the Australian [...] [...] – like the false apologies, made or not made, after the genocide of Jews, Native Americans, or the Roma Gypsies or the Australian [...]

]]> By: Stacy http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1705 Stacy Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:53:25 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1705 Hello, thank you for the informative articles on the disporia of the Gypsie peoples. I have recently had my Autosmal DNA and the results are amazing...East Indian (which we expected). What I did not expect was a high ancestry result of Aboriginal Australian. Your information here hass been invaluable to our research, thank you. Hello, thank you for the informative articles on the disporia of the Gypsie peoples. I have recently had my Autosmal DNA and the results are amazing…East Indian (which we expected). What I did not expect was a high ancestry result of Aboriginal Australian.
Your information here hass been invaluable to our research, thank you.

]]> By: Anuraag Sanghi http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1628 Anuraag Sanghi Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:06:27 +0000 http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/#comment-1628 Is Eastern Europe not a apart of the West? Maybe you differentiating between Western Europe and Eastern Europe. But both the Eastern and Western Europe are part of the West ... is it not? Reg. the origin of the Roma Gyspies ... If you are happy with the Egyptian root theory, be my guest. If you believe that Roma Gypsies are not from India, so be it. Don't worry, be happy. Is Eastern Europe not a apart of the West? Maybe you differentiating between Western Europe and Eastern Europe. But both the Eastern and Western Europe are part of the West … is it not?

Reg. the origin of the Roma Gyspies … If you are happy with the Egyptian root theory, be my guest. If you believe that Roma Gypsies are not from India, so be it. Don’t worry, be happy.

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