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The Debt That India Owes Britain

Posted in British Raj, Gold Reserves, History, India, politics, Satire by Anuraag Sanghi on December 18, 2007

New Economic Order?

“British government conceded Indian self-rule, they thought this the right thing to do. What would have happened to the Koreans or the Vietnamese if a local Gandhi had tried such tactics against the brutal Japanese kempetai or the French with their mercenaries from Morocco and Senegal? It was not that Gandhi was successful but that the British were forbearing … Gandhi’s tactics only work if the other side lets it …” Christie Davies’ Blog The Social Affairs Unit.

We ungrateful oriental so-and-so

Indians are an ungrateful lot. How can we forget the British and give Gandhi all the credit.

Ever the oriental selfishness. Why can we not sacrifice ourselves for the Great British Empire? Can we even imagine that the Greatest Empire in history had anything but the milk of human kindness oozing out of Britain, at the time of granting Independence. After WW2, even though Britain was on rationing, they let us Browns go independent.

I wonder who put Jinnah onto this job?

I wonder who put Jinnah onto this job?

The end of extraction

Churchill very much wanted the option of squeezing the Brown man at least a little more. Whatever little there was left of the Brown man after the Great Bengal Famine of 1943.

Clement Attlee pointed out that there was nothing left to squeeze. Attlee thought that the cost of squeezing was greater than the value of the extract. After Montagu Norman, Churchill, Lord Willingdon, Neville Chamberlain had finished with the Great Bullion Scam against India from 1925-1945. After the war was over and the Brown man was used in Africa and Europe. They let us go – and allowed us to rule ourselves.

How can we ever repay this debt?

The gift of English language

First, the great benefit of English language.

These stupid Germans, Italians, Japanese, Russians, French, Chinese – they don’t know what we know!! English is the universal language. All other super powers and developed countries (Japan, China, Russia, France, Germany, Italy) use their own languages. They could have been very successful (like India) if they had learnt English, talked English, walked English, read English, cooked English, washed English, done everything in English.

Colonial stereotypes!

Colonial stereotypes!

I must admit, this small, little, disloyal question keeps raising its head, in my head? Why cant the British use that great English language to lift themselves from that terminal decline?

Indian industry

Can we ever forget the Lees-Mody pact which saved the Indian farmer from ruin on 28th October 1933?

The Japanese had stopped purchase of Indian cotton. Never mind that the British raised customs duty for imported Japanese cloth (increasing the cost to the consumer) to protect the Lancashire Mills, which were hurting by the Gandhian (that tricky so and so oriental) boycott.

We ungrateful Indians must further appreciate the British sacrifice and the industrial cost of conceding self-rule to India.

Within 10 years of Indian independence, the British car industry started closing down. British Steel collapsed and had to be nationalised within 20 years (Ratan Tata may revive British Steel finally). British coal mining became unviable within 15 years – and had to be shut finally. British Rail similarly collapsed. It is now making a hesitant comeback after privatisation. British capital goods industry (electrical, heavy machinery, electronics) went out of business. There is no British automotive industry worth talking about.

All due to us Indians hankering for Independence..

Colonial railways

But they did teach Laloo Prasad Yadav how to run Indian Railways profitably.

Should we complain so much, if we inherited a decrepit, run down, accident prone, investment starved railway system with outdated technology from the British? Should we be ungrateful, if this railway system was financed by Indian capital?

Even though it took India 40 years, to modernize the colonial railway system, we should be thankful. Remember, they could have uprooted the rails, and taken away the wagons and engines. After all, Indian Railways was the biggest scrap iron collection in the world at that time.

Till Lal Bahadur Shastri’s resignation – the poor Indian railway-man was routinely blamed for railway accidents – by his British, and later the Indian bosses also. It was Shastri’s resignation, that drew attention to the state of the railways. It was Madhu Dandvate in 1977 who started overhauling railway time tables – and upgraded rail travel from cattle class to IInd class.

Captive markets and raw material

What could the British do without captive markets and raw material sources?

The British let all this go – so that Indian industry could survive. British business manager taught Indian businessmen how to run business competitively – and completely ignored their own business. Today, Britain has very few of the colonial era multinationals. British (The Great Benefactors) said – Go forth, Brown man.

Some biased historians claim that the Britishers said to us Indians, “We know that you can do nothing by yourself. You are useless to us now. You are a burden to us. We have sucked you dry. But, you want to go away from our protective umbrella. Go forth and stagnate at the bottom”, at the time of Independence. I don’t believe that.

Like I don’t believe that the sun rises in the East (it is a conspiracy against us).

Are you not disappinted, Mr.Pukka Sahib?
Are you not disappinted, Mr.Pukka Sahib?

Colonial Indian bureaucracy

We also do not appreciate their kindness towards us!

The other British legacy that we should be very grateful is our colonial bureaucracy. This colonial era bureaucracy, a permanent establishment, has been growing faster than our population – thrives by demonizing Indian politicians. Its corruption is aided by a myriad laws created by the same bureaucracy – for the benefit of Indians. In most states this bureaucracy takes up all the Governmental revenues and leaves nothing but tax increases for us.

The British never intended to benefit from these entrenched laws and bureaucracy.

One reader did point out,

“Look what happens when you let these people rule themselves. The whole of black Africa has become a basket case. The people are ripped off by their rulers, in a far worse way than they ever were under white rule. Many of their citizens long for the return of white rule and the stability that would bring. It’s just a shame they are never going to get it.
All countries in the Middle East, with the exception of Israel, are ruled by thugs who use terror and their police forces to destroy any opposition.”

Indians responded, (in a very disloyal manner), by using the same logic against the British themselves.

By this logic, the way Britain is being run, it will need to be governed by guess who – Indians. Looking at where India was after the end of the Raj – and now, it is clear who is better at governing.

Looking at the ‘decline’ of Britain (what will happen after the secession of Scotland and Wales?) and Spain, after the end of Black Moslem rule, and you know who should be ruling over Britain and Spain at least.

Whatcha say …

How disloyal Indians can be? Imagine, questioning the British themselves? How can they?!

They Didn’t Wipe Us Out – Like ‘Red Indians’ And Aborigines

Recent archaeological (available with me) evidence shows that the British were repaying our kindness. Indians “marwari” seths had lent Queen Bodicea some money about 78 AD during her struggle against the Romans 2000 years ago. The British have never forgotten that. (Only the British and I know this secret story – based on documents to which only I have access in my family custody for 2000 years).

Hence, they did not kill us Indians in the numbers that they killed (more than 10 lakh Kenyans in 10 years) in the Mau-Mau uprising. Or they did not torture and kill Indians the way they killed the Malaysians. Due to this reason, they also did not establish apartheid the way they did in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and South Africa. This unblemished record of the British against other people had nothing to do with Gandhiji. Gandhiji’s focus on post-colonial India, had nothing to with the existence of our statehood.

It was all the British legacy.

They let Gandhiji succeed

Just like the Whites in US of America allowed Martin Luther King to follow Gandhiji’s ideology. They have permitted the Negroes to make more progress in the last 30 years than in the previous 300 years.

Similar to the permission granted, by the White Apartheid Regime in South Africa, for Nelson Mandela to become successful. I wonder why his neighbours Robert Mugabe and Joshua Nkome were not given that permission. Lech Walesa’s success in Poland is there for all to see – after the Communist Regimes in Poland permitted these protests to happen.

Why didn’t they just kill Gandhiji

It would have been so easy. The one British failure was that they did not kill Gandhi. That job was outsourced to an Indian “coolie”. This was one thing that they could have done – but didn’t do! In my books, we should be eternally grateful to the British Colonialist for not killing Gandhiji.

PS – If all else fails, there is the path of political assassination. A few days ago, from Washington, USA, someone Googled to ask “why britishers didn’t kill gandhi“. Perhaps, that was one moment in history, when the political leaders of the Anglo Saxon Bloc were momentarily humanised.

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  1. Galeo Rhinus said, on December 19, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    The Indian historiography of the period 1942-1947 is far more muddled than anyone can imagine.

    You sarcasm notwithstanding, I am not too sure what you are trying to say here… are you attempting to cut through that haze? is the “secondlook” in the content or the context?

    Perhaps, you might be assuming certain preordained views in your readers, which is why I might be getting confused…

    Care to take a second cut at your post? either eliminate or preface your sarcasm with a line or two of commentary…

  2. Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 19, 2007 at 8:12 pm

    In the last 1 week, (is it a co-incidence) that I have seen too much and and heard some people talk about the British “contribution”.

    For one these Hindraf guys have set my teeth on edge. How can they go to the British?

    Then this blog which is at the beginning of my post. I know some people today blame (or credit) the British for our problems, failures and successes.

    We have had enough time to set right whatever the British Colonial administration has done. How can we moan about it or credit them for that.

    By the same token, how can the British take any credit for our successes – and are they taking any responsibility for actions for 200 years.

  3. Galeo Rhinus said, on December 19, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    Got it

    Hindraf – it’s sad that in a world where interventionism is a norm – that India (or at least the present government) selectively chooses to turn a blind eye. Just shameful.

    — “How can we moan about it or credit them for that.”

    No matter what – moaning or crediting are wasteful … but understanding the real history isn’t. There’s so much about India’s history that is messed up, that first needs to be cleaned – so that the game of “blame” or “contemplation” can be played with a level playing field.

    I am attempting to do that in Operation Red Lotus… let’s see how that goes.

  4. Galeo Rhinus said, on December 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    “Recent archaeological (available with me) evidence shows that the British were repaying our kindness. Indians “marwari” seths had lent Queen Bodicea some money about 78 AD during her struggle against the Romans 2000 years ago. The British have never forgotten that. (Only the British and I know this secret story – based on documents to which only I have access in my family custody for 2000 years).”

    Is this for real?

  5. Ashish said, on March 2, 2008 at 10:56 am

    I personally like British people but your central argument that we as Indians “owe” them something is misleading, factually incorrect and a huge slap on our freedom fighters who laid down their lives to enable you and me to have our own Indian identity.

    More than we owe them, the British took away a lot of things from India. India’s contribution to world trade was 25% in 1800 which is less than 2% today. Britain’s industrial revolution happened because Indians parted with their money to buy clothes from Lancashire and Manchester mills (You yourself said India’s independence led to the closing of British steel mills etc.) I don’t begrudge the British making the best use of money earned from India in developing their infrastructure, education etc. things that we Indians are doing NOW.

    Also, Indians sent MILLIONS of soldiers to fight under the crown in both world wars.

    My single point is the British owe Indians much more than it’s the other way around.

    • Globizen said, on December 30, 2009 at 5:40 am

      Exactly!
      It is a know fact that Indians sent 2.5 million soldiers to fight besides the british in europe,ethiopia and asia(singapore,burma etc) as volunteers! The largest volunteer armed forces in history till this day was the Indian national army that fought in ww2!!
      Even britain knew this and we got 30 victoria crosses(country with one of the highest numbers) for the valour we showed!

      Without us europe would not be liberated and britain would have fell to german invaders as they did some 1000years back to the romans!

      Not just britainnia but the world as a whole owes us Indians!

      p.s:I am not some raging nationalist but if you look deeply you would know that even the french and portugese had colonies in India and did not commit the atrocities they did to aborigine populations elsewhere….the reason for this?
      Because our population was 300million and counting when the colonists arrived as opposed to smaller islands and territories with just a few thousands in population!
      If we were also lesser in population they would not have thought twice before wiping us off the face of the earth!!!

      Cheers!!!

  6. Anuraag Sanghi said, on March 2, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    Read it again. You are mistaken. You are NOT getting the message.

  7. Ajay said, on March 13, 2008 at 6:27 am

    Most importantly they Taught India how to be civilised. Well some of us learn anyway. We need the British back for sure!

  8. Anuraag Sanghi said, on March 24, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Ajay – Those poor, depressed Brits yokels, in their state of terminal decline, would be quite happy to read your message.

    More than ‘US’ needing ‘THEM’, they probably need you, Ajay.

    If you like, I can put in a word with the Brits to take in some loyal Browns like you back into the Raj. They have had a problem, ever since, African captive slaves stopped working for them. They have been waiting for some Brown Slave volunteers. Now that you have come, they will be happy.

    You can then happily serve your Great White Masters – and leave us dirty, unwashed Browns behind – not to forget the uncivilized bit.

    We would be quite happy without you – the feeling I assure you is mutual.

  9. Vassilios Korosidis said, on May 12, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    classic

  10. kung foo fighting said, on December 6, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    i just read an article where this frenchwoman is berating the british…
    this reminds me of a famous quote-
    ” you either hate the british or love them,
    Most people simply hate them…”

  11. Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 6, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Well Cat Meow /Kung foo fighting –

    I don’t think I hate them are love’em … they are just too irrelevant today to open their mouths …

    So, when they open their mouths … is when I get worked up …

  12. hans heinrich said, on September 25, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    As far as I am concerned, it is Britain who owes India………A LOT. Britain exploited India. Many of the sciences Europeans and Chinese use today are of Indian origin. Even the idea of the atomic bomb is of Indian origin, since all us geniuses here know that Oppenheimer got all his ideas from the Vedic texts. Britain got rich off India.

    Plus today in Britain, Punjabis run 90% of the entire economy as doctors, bankers and other significant jobs while the rest of the population rely on Indians paying for their welfare in that welfare state, which these lazy British bastards can’t survive without. It is mostly these English, Celts, Muslims and other non-Indian minorities who rely on Indians paying for them. Jesus Christ man, they should get their lazy asses and find themselves jobs.

    Britain was just another conquering power, like the Moguls before them and like the Moguls, they got rich off India because of the people and their resources, which is lacking in their own native lands of origin ie Northern Europe and Central Asia.

    And of course I agree with everything Ashish said, since he already said it before I did.

    Peace y’all

  13. coconutsage said, on December 22, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    You’ve got some deep insights, about the Indian, colonial and monetary history. I followed your links too and read about Indian gold reserves..I liked this posting. Cool.

    If you are an economist, you have more understanding of Indian economy than most folks and conspiracy theorists . Your postings have put a lot of things in perspectives for me especially the foreign policies of western governments. So all these bom blast in India last year.. Bangalore, N.Delhi, Assam, Malegaon, Mumbai, Hyderabad and AFPAK war on terror, is it related to trade issues and monetary policies?

  14. Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 23, 2009 at 11:14 am

    So all these bom blast in India last year.. Bangalore, N.Delhi, Assam, Malegaon, Mumbai, Hyderabad and AFPAK war on terror, is it related to trade issues and monetary policies?

    The Desert Bloc cannot survive without loot, slavery and genocide – and everything they do is related to this inability.

  15. coconutsage said, on December 23, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Alright, so there be must on the Indian side, people who are actively working with the West, politicians, bankers, diplomats and businessmen. I have learned that the monetary power is still centred in London. I remember seeing a photo of Schwarzeneger, Buffet and Lord J.Rothschild in Rothschilds’s Waddesdon Manor.
    see (www.nowpublic.com/warren_buffet_arnold_jacob_rothschild)

    Is Jacob Rothschild one of the power brokers? I know most conspiracy theorists say everything has to do with Rothschilds but I am sceptical. The power ultimately also lies in the system and networks of the old western oligarchial families. Is Rothschilds just the front? The Indian financial elite is also part of this grouping?

    What is the Desert Bloc?

  16. Arpan said, on June 15, 2012 at 1:09 am

    A bullshit of a logic. I don’t care what your nationality is but I hate the Colonial British and I will continue to do so till the end of my Life…We don’t owe the british anything. If at all they owe us for their wealth and prosperity and god permits we will get stronger and one day will drag out every bit of our cultural heritage from the British museums and the queens crown and bring back to our future generations….

    • Martin L King said, on January 23, 2014 at 3:10 am

      I detect a little jealous thought here.Mcbeth comes to mind,me thinks your a little like the late MJ and deep down wish you are white.Try skin bleaching products that are very popular.in India.Last time I checked it was the “browns” trying to sneak into Britian and being denied entry.,not the whites trying to gain illegal work rites in India or god forsake pakistan{non capitols on purpose}.I no the truth hurts but for your own sake try to accept your status and position in lifes ladder and accept your betters are only trying to help you.

      • Vaishnava said, on September 24, 2014 at 5:22 pm

        England debt to India, by lajpat rai. Read this book, this has passages mostly from then english recorders, not from any Indians, and you would be ashamed of your own race. This bit self solacing stuff you have put up here is not going to change the fact that India and china inherited more than 80%of world GDP before english came ( the reason they came), not to mention your final loot of 1800 crore pounds of so called loan repayment for our freedom in 1947. You dirty beggars were not even ashamed to rape a poverty ridden bird, you raped for hundreds of years. But alas, your karma shall hit you back very soon.. Wait and watch,!!!you shall be ashamed of your own race.. Thats our curse on to you , english scums rott in hell…

  17. Rhea said, on July 2, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    This is so dumb- the BRITISH
    need to repay us Indians who are suffering the present because of their self fish and greed humor. Dont you know anything? Do you know how bad the dumb assholes treated India for nothing? And the british government is so self fish they havent bothered one bit to repay us Indians!! You should have knowlege on the topic before typing some nonsense on the internet..

  18. Hazza said, on July 17, 2012 at 4:31 am

    hans heinrich – did all that Anglophobic, pseudo-nationalist bollocks ranting make you feel any better?

    kung foo fighting – don’t worry, our loathing of all things French mirrors theirs of us.

    Anuraag Sanghi – did you know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

    In general – does anyone here actually know of the political, economic or military history of the UK since India gained its independence? If you think our ‘decline’ is down to India gaining its independence, you’re quite mistaken – it was down to successive years of Conservative govenments destroying our industries in order to break the power of the unions. Believe it or not, it was only a select few in Britian who profited from the Empire, just as a select few crushed our industires and are now dragging us through an austerity programme in order to further consolidate their power. Still, why waste an opportunity to paint the entire population of the UK as an ugly, lazy, greedy race of Neanderthals who are incapable of surving on their own unless they are all leeching off someone else? No sense of irony…

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on July 17, 2012 at 11:54 am
      One:

      Believe it or not, it was only a select few in Britian who profited from the Empire, just as a select few crushed our industires and are now dragging us through an austerity programme in order to further consolidate their power.

      Believe it or not, I agree with this 100%.

      Desert Bloc polity makes this a certainty.

      The 1% controls, wealth, own the land and has the power.

      Two:

      In general – does anyone here actually know of the political, economic or military history of the UK since India gained its independence? If you think our ‘decline’ is down to India gaining its independence, you’re quite mistaken – it was down to successive years of Conservative govenments destroying our industries in order to break the power of the unions.

      Is this the line they are peddling out these days?
      :lol: If you are swallowing this story!

      Three:

      Anuraag Sanghi – did you know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

      In Shakespearean times, at least I was told by my English teacher, it was thought that puns were the lowest form of humor – but then remember, Shakespeare used a lot of them. Wit needs to prick – and I see it has.

      Even if low, it has worked.

      Four:

      Still, why waste an opportunity to paint the entire population of the UK as an ugly, lazy, greedy race of Neanderthals who are incapable of surving on their own unless they are all leeching off someone else? No sense of irony…

      Agree partly.

      Not all of UK are ugly. The percentage of ugly are probably the same as Rest of Humanity. Not any worse or better.

      By the way, whatever happened to the story of the British Character, the British Race, the British Nanny, the British School, et al.

      Coming to the leeching of someone bit, that is a function of polity and system. Desert Bloc systems guarantee that. The alternative or the solution – Bharattantra.

    • Chandra Neelakantan said, on July 18, 2012 at 10:45 am

      Quite easy and frankly quite shallow to blame it on the politicians. Shows a lack of understanding of both basic economics and finance.
      From the 1950s to 1980s, the colonies and much of Asia were too poor to compete or produce anything – thanks to the looters from Europe and Britain. Once education, know-how for the _new industrialized economy_ came about in Asia, and after just a few decades of stability , you have competition for products.
      When you can buy for half the price, these jobs quickly moved to Asia. Money , just like anything else, follows the least resistive path.

      The problem as I see it is that Britain has had no moral compass whatsoever in its history! Zero! Nothing!
      In every day practice, Britain will align with the most notorious of persons, most evil of actions to meet its immediate goals. gaddafi, Abbas, Iraq war etc are just a few examples of that Brit policy . Now, blaming the entire population is probably not justified but blaming the electorate which voted for the lot who frame British policy is – isn’t that democracy ?

  19. M Spotts said, on February 25, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    I just saw a rerun of “Gandhi”, the movie. I am an American. I am 68 years old and remember a bit of what he went through. Our world is still fighting over religion. The freedom he fought for attempted to be peaceful but you still fight. We are losing our own people trying to help you resolve – what – ? In our country anyone can believe as they wish. We have mostly resolved the war between our states for Africans. Why do you go on and on?? God loves us all, not just one group!!!! Britain is not the only enemy now in the 21st century, it is called “GREED”. We definitely have political problems, too. Our Congress cannot seem to get together because the country is so equally divided against their tyranny against all Americans that disagree with our re-elected (how?) president.
    Welcome to the club.

    ms

  20. Shakaal said, on June 7, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    No Better Answer To This Article thn below article :

    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-heres-why-britain-owes-a-debt-to-india-1801157

    Its a shame and slap on we all Indians if someone is talking & thinking like this, Britishers have looted us for 200 Years and this guy says that they have done a favor on us by ruling us, For 1700 Years Indian GDP Contribution to World GDP was around 70-80% before Britishers came to India and when They Left it was around 5%, Shame that people forget the Massacre of Indian and Justify this with what happened in African or East Asian Countries.
    I dnt have any words to describe or dnt feel like commenting to such Anti National Post,

    Probably Author is too naive to understand what Debt means and i want to ask one simple question to the Author of this article, What have you done yourself to improve your country instead of Buttering the British Raj and Who gave you the right to insult our freedom fighters like this ?

  21. Sanjay V said, on September 3, 2014 at 6:00 am

    For a clear picture on the brit rule must read a.) Modern India 1885-1947 by Sumit Sarkar and b.) Churchills secret war by Madhushree Mukerjee.


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