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		<title>By: Cultural Dacoity &#171; 2ndlook &#8211; View From A Square Prism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cultural Dacoity &#171; 2ndlook &#8211; View From A Square Prism</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] 250 years, the Iberian Empires were the most powerful. The slave rebellion of Haiti triggered a collapse of the Spanish colonies in South America. Simon Bolivar, aided by the Haiti&#8217;s rulers, initiated decolonization movements across South [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Too much, too soon? &#8211; Abheek Barman&#8217;s blog-The Economic Times &#171; Quick Take &#8211; As It Happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too much, too soon? &#8211; Abheek Barman&#8217;s blog-The Economic Times &#171; Quick Take &#8211; As It Happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the next 250 years, the campaign for the conquest and colonization of India was funded by the earnings from the vast slave economies of the Atlantic islands (Cuba, Haiti, West Indies), the loot from North and South Americas and Australia. Indian rulers and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the next 250 years, the campaign for the conquest and colonization of India was funded by the earnings from the vast slave economies of the Atlantic islands (Cuba, Haiti, West Indies), the loot from North and South Americas and Australia. Indian rulers and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: US panel on religious freedom to visit India &#171; Quick Take &#8211; As It Happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>US panel on religious freedom to visit India &#171; Quick Take &#8211; As It Happens</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Over a hundred years between 1750-1850, more than 10-20 million Africans were brought as captives &#8211; and sold in the US to be used as forced slave labour. Slave markets and trade in slaves was abolished after many revolutions and revolts by the slaves. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over a hundred years between 1750-1850, more than 10-20 million Africans were brought as captives &#8211; and sold in the US to be used as forced slave labour. Slave markets and trade in slaves was abolished after many revolutions and revolts by the slaves. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cuba in a Time Warp - The Atlantic &#171; Quick Take - As It Happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuba in a Time Warp - The Atlantic &#171; Quick Take - As It Happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the British Navy to run their slave colonies. These were ‘salt colonies’ - not as well known as the ‘sugar colonies’ of Haiti, Cuba, Demerra, Trinidad and other West Indian [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Buffett could buy North Korea as gift for Obama - William Pesek &#171; Quick Take - As It Happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffett could buy North Korea as gift for Obama - William Pesek &#171; Quick Take - As It Happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was such thinking that led to the &#8217;sale&#8217; of Cuba, Philippines and Puerto Rico by Spain to the USA. After the purchase, came a century of pain in Cuba, many hundreds of thousands of lives [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was such thinking that led to the &#8217;sale&#8217; of Cuba, Philippines and Puerto Rico by Spain to the USA. After the purchase, came a century of pain in Cuba, many hundreds of thousands of lives [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anuraag Sanghi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anuraag Sanghi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dilas Luis - I missed out the word NOT before implausible. What you are saying is plausible.

Very plausible!

And you are right ... denying achievements of the Africans was a part of the same game plan that was later played out against Indian history. Hegel was the leader of this historiography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dilas Luis &#8211; I missed out the word NOT before implausible. What you are saying is plausible.</p>
<p>Very plausible!</p>
<p>And you are right &#8230; denying achievements of the Africans was a part of the same game plan that was later played out against Indian history. Hegel was the leader of this historiography.</p>
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		<title>By: dilasluis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I state that there was 50,000 slaves in the beginning is just a way for you to see that if there were that in the beginning how much would there be in mid-1800&#039;s?

What do you mean about implausible? Some African historians state that Europeans shoot the Sphinx nose on an attempt to hide it&#039;s true african features and for a long time, and sometimes still now, they deny that ancient egypt was dark skinned. Europeans history books state the Africans as savages that lived in tribes although African and European historians have found evidences of huge civilizations and cities... some people now are saying that the jewish Holocaust never happened. American soldiers, when arrived at the concentration camps, said to take photos as much as they could because some people would eventually try to deny it. History has a strange way to keep repeating it self and people have the tendency to forget history when they were the persecutors and did awful things. Do you want your children to really know how low have you descended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I state that there was 50,000 slaves in the beginning is just a way for you to see that if there were that in the beginning how much would there be in mid-1800&#8217;s?</p>
<p>What do you mean about implausible? Some African historians state that Europeans shoot the Sphinx nose on an attempt to hide it&#8217;s true african features and for a long time, and sometimes still now, they deny that ancient egypt was dark skinned. Europeans history books state the Africans as savages that lived in tribes although African and European historians have found evidences of huge civilizations and cities&#8230; some people now are saying that the jewish Holocaust never happened. American soldiers, when arrived at the concentration camps, said to take photos as much as they could because some people would eventually try to deny it. History has a strange way to keep repeating it self and people have the tendency to forget history when they were the persecutors and did awful things. Do you want your children to really know how low have you descended?</p>
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		<title>By: Anuraag Sanghi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anuraag Sanghi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slavery in Portugal started about 500 years ago. Are you questioning the ability of the slave masters to eliminate 50,000 slaves. Britain had four times as many in 1830 or so. Where are they now? Same story. If you click on the embedded links, you will see more data and numbers. You will see this is probable!

If you are suggesting that some &#039;alternate methods of mass extermination&#039; similar to Hitler, were used, I have not found any mention or evidence of that - though it is NOT implausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slavery in Portugal started about 500 years ago. Are you questioning the ability of the slave masters to eliminate 50,000 slaves. Britain had four times as many in 1830 or so. Where are they now? Same story. If you click on the embedded links, you will see more data and numbers. You will see this is probable!</p>
<p>If you are suggesting that some &#8216;alternate methods of mass extermination&#8217; similar to Hitler, were used, I have not found any mention or evidence of that &#8211; though it is NOT implausible.</p>
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		<title>By: dilasluis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diseases, shippement from England, imprisionment, forced migrations, economic dislocations, and some other aspects you stated only explain for the reduction of a population NOT for the absense of it, I believe.

In Madeira, Portugal, at the beginning of slavery, there were approximately 50,000 slaves! Now, you go there, and it&#039;s ONLY native european people. It strikes me as odd, to say the least...

This search of mine has not ended, for sure! And I already encountered the racism and ignorance that I shield my self from. Sometimes I almost cried in awe when I realized once again that humanity has not gone out of the cave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diseases, shippement from England, imprisionment, forced migrations, economic dislocations, and some other aspects you stated only explain for the reduction of a population NOT for the absense of it, I believe.</p>
<p>In Madeira, Portugal, at the beginning of slavery, there were approximately 50,000 slaves! Now, you go there, and it&#8217;s ONLY native european people. It strikes me as odd, to say the least&#8230;</p>
<p>This search of mine has not ended, for sure! And I already encountered the racism and ignorance that I shield my self from. Sometimes I almost cried in awe when I realized once again that humanity has not gone out of the cave.</p>
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		<title>By: Anuraag Sanghi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anuraag Sanghi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dilas Luis - Excellent question! And a valid point!!
&lt;blockquote&gt;this question remains unanswered. Noone seems to talk about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Last point first. The question of slavery and colonialism are&lt;a title=&quot;Elephants In The Room By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/elephants-in-the-room/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; the Elephants in the Western History&lt;/a&gt; - which the West has successfully, evaded and silenced dissent with greater din, on other irrelevant topics and a trail of red herrings. &lt;a title=&quot;Desert Bloc Legacy - ‘Westernization’ &amp; ‘Jihad’ By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/desert-bloc-legacy-westernization-jihad/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Excellent job by Western &#039;historians and academics&lt;/a&gt; in making slavery and colonialism invisible.

The focus and memory of slavery in USA is more recent and egregious - and hence greater examination of that has happened. But the genocide of slaves in Europe has followed the same pattern.

African American population in the US at the time of the Civil War, was roughly 25%. It has now declined to roughly 12 %. Where did the other half of the slave population disappear.

&lt;strong&gt;One&lt;/strong&gt; - As this post points out, this was accomplished, for instance, by poor health care.

&lt;strong&gt;Secondly&lt;/strong&gt; - as this post also points out, this was done by shipping these &#039;liberated&#039; slaves to Liberia, Sierra Leone (from England).

&lt;strong&gt;Third&lt;/strong&gt; - as another post points out, it was &lt;a title=&quot;The Story Of Crime &amp; Prisons by 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/the-story-of-crime-prisons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;significantly higher levels of imprisonment&lt;/a&gt; of the African Americans in the US and &lt;a title=&quot;The wonder that is the Anglo Saxon legal system … By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/the-wonder-that-is-the-anglo-saxon-legal-system/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in modern times, of Muslims in the UK&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Fourth&lt;/strong&gt; - were forced migrations - like &lt;a title=&quot;Scorched Earth Incidents In History - What They Reveal … By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/scorched-earth-incidents-in-history-what-they-reveal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;death of Native Americans in the Trail of Tears&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Fifth&lt;/strong&gt; - was &lt;a title=&quot;Demonize, Genocide - and Apologize by 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/demonize-genocide-and-apologize/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;economic dislocations, which exposed the dispossessed and oppressed &lt;/a&gt;to these economic vagaries, without the State support that the privileged White populations were provided. An empirical example of this is pointed out in another post, which shows the &lt;a title=&quot;Mass privatisation in Communist bloc led to surge in male deaths - Yahoo! News by 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/mass-privatisation-in-communist-bloc-led-to-surge-in-male-deaths-yahoo-news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;higher death rates during mass privatizations in Soviet Russia&lt;/a&gt;. Or the &lt;a title=&quot;Italian police crack down on Roma Gypsies By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/italian-police-crack-down-on-roma-gypsies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;targetting of Roma Gypsies in Europe &lt;/a&gt;even today.

&lt;strong&gt;Sixth &lt;/strong&gt;- was the kidnapping of children and breaking of family structures - like in &lt;a title=&quot;Forgotten Indian Diaspora In Europe - 1000 years ago by 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the case of Roma Gypsies &lt;/a&gt;and the &lt;a title=&quot;The Aboriginal Genocide In Australia By 2ndlook&quot; href=&quot;http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/the-aboriginal-genocide-in-australia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extermination of Australian Aborigines&lt;/a&gt;.

For a prospective genocide planner, Hitler&#039;s biggest mistake was his &#039;over-enthusiasm&#039;. He should have followed the footsteps of his other European predecessors - where the genocides were done with less fan fare, in smaller sized chunks, over a longer time frame.

Same difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dilas Luis &#8211; Excellent question! And a valid point!!</p>
<blockquote><p>this question remains unanswered. Noone seems to talk about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Last point first. The question of slavery and colonialism are<a title="Elephants In The Room By 2ndlook" href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/elephants-in-the-room/" rel="nofollow"> the Elephants in the Western History</a> &#8211; which the West has successfully, evaded and silenced dissent with greater din, on other irrelevant topics and a trail of red herrings. <a title="Desert Bloc Legacy - ‘Westernization’ &amp; ‘Jihad’ By 2ndlook" href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/desert-bloc-legacy-westernization-jihad/" rel="nofollow">Excellent job by Western &#8216;historians and academics</a> in making slavery and colonialism invisible.</p>
<p>The focus and memory of slavery in USA is more recent and egregious &#8211; and hence greater examination of that has happened. But the genocide of slaves in Europe has followed the same pattern.</p>
<p>African American population in the US at the time of the Civil War, was roughly 25%. It has now declined to roughly 12 %. Where did the other half of the slave population disappear.</p>
<p><strong>One</strong> &#8211; As this post points out, this was accomplished, for instance, by poor health care.</p>
<p><strong>Secondly</strong> &#8211; as this post also points out, this was done by shipping these &#8216;liberated&#8217; slaves to Liberia, Sierra Leone (from England).</p>
<p><strong>Third</strong> &#8211; as another post points out, it was <a title="The Story Of Crime &amp; Prisons by 2ndlook" href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/the-story-of-crime-prisons/" rel="nofollow">significantly higher levels of imprisonment</a> of the African Americans in the US and <a title="The wonder that is the Anglo Saxon legal system … By 2ndlook" href="http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/the-wonder-that-is-the-anglo-saxon-legal-system/" rel="nofollow">in modern times, of Muslims in the UK</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Fourth</strong> &#8211; were forced migrations &#8211; like <a title="Scorched Earth Incidents In History - What They Reveal … By 2ndlook" href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/scorched-earth-incidents-in-history-what-they-reveal/" rel="nofollow">death of Native Americans in the Trail of Tears</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Fifth</strong> &#8211; was <a title="Demonize, Genocide - and Apologize by 2ndlook" href="http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/demonize-genocide-and-apologize/" rel="nofollow">economic dislocations, which exposed the dispossessed and oppressed </a>to these economic vagaries, without the State support that the privileged White populations were provided. An empirical example of this is pointed out in another post, which shows the <a title="Mass privatisation in Communist bloc led to surge in male deaths - Yahoo! News by 2ndlook" href="http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/mass-privatisation-in-communist-bloc-led-to-surge-in-male-deaths-yahoo-news/" rel="nofollow">higher death rates during mass privatizations in Soviet Russia</a>. Or the <a title="Italian police crack down on Roma Gypsies By 2ndlook" href="http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/italian-police-crack-down-on-roma-gypsies/" rel="nofollow">targetting of Roma Gypsies in Europe </a>even today.</p>
<p><strong>Sixth </strong>- was the kidnapping of children and breaking of family structures &#8211; like in <a title="Forgotten Indian Diaspora In Europe - 1000 years ago by 2ndlook" href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/forgotten-abandoned-enslaved-indians-in-europe/" rel="nofollow">the case of Roma Gypsies </a>and the <a title="The Aboriginal Genocide In Australia By 2ndlook" href="http://quicktake.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/the-aboriginal-genocide-in-australia/" rel="nofollow">extermination of Australian Aborigines</a>.</p>
<p>For a prospective genocide planner, Hitler&#8217;s biggest mistake was his &#8216;over-enthusiasm&#8217;. He should have followed the footsteps of his other European predecessors &#8211; where the genocides were done with less fan fare, in smaller sized chunks, over a longer time frame.</p>
<p>Same difference!</p>
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