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Delhi Gang Rape: A Mirror To Our Society?

Posted in Desert Bloc, Feminist Issues, India, Media by Anuraag Sanghi on December 20, 2012

When societies indulge in hysteria at periodic intervals, they react more and more … and more. And think a whole lot less!

Delhi – The Rape Capital

India anyway the lowest crime rate in the world  |  Sushil Kumar Shinde announces measures to make Delhi safer  by MANJUL dated 12.20.2012

India anyway the lowest crime rate in the world | Sushil Kumar Shinde announces measures to make Delhi safer by MANJUL dated 12.20.2012

Delhi has a population of nearly 1.5 crore, (15 million).

Delhi’s population is more than the population of nearly a 100-countries of the world.

Can deviant behaviour by a couple of hundred people make Delhi the rape capital of India?

Kill … hand … shoot … death … mutiliate

https://twitter.com/RKC1106/status/281486837661442048

A cartoon on the Lorena Bobbitt case.  Is anti-men attitude valid and justified in India  |  Cartoon by Satish Acharya on December 19, 2012

A cartoon on the infamous Lorena Bobbitt case. Is anti-men attitude valid and justified in India | Cartoon by Satish Acharya on December 19, 2012

If imprisonment can solve the crime problem, USA would not have the world’s largest prison, probation and prosecution numbers.

If executions can solve problems, after 30-years of executions, China would not have a corruption problem.

After 1300-years of cutting hands, legs, heads, fingers, the Islamic world is still not crime-free.

Deviants like these gang-rapists must be dealt with professionally.

Are these gang-rapists worth the anger, vindictiveness, vengefulness?

Have a quick trial – and ensure expedited appeals. Carry out the sentence.

Victim Women; Guilty Men

Is a woman any more a victim than a child? Or a old-couple robbed and murdered? Or a young couple who leave orphan children behind? This musical chairs of crime against children, against women; against the aged guarantees that the subject changes – but not the situation.

Sick Society

https://twitter.com/SarinzzImzi/status/281467401940385793

Does deviant behaviour by a few hundred people from among crores of people make a society sick? But when large parts of the society go on rampage that is surely a sick society.

International Attention

Why this hankering for ‘international approval’?

Shame … Shame

If a member of your family have cancer, does it the makes your family ashamed? If a few members of the society display deviant behaviour, where is the shame? We just have to deal with it?

Help for the victim

While people are out having candle-light vigils, protests, posters, twitter-campaigns, is anyone trying to do anything for the victim? Without intestines, how will the girl manage her life? How will she manage her future medical bills? Instead of this silly shame, meaningless outrage I did not see anyone working to establish a 25-lakh corpus to take care of this girl!

Respect for Women

Such a silly idea!

https://twitter.com/shivendraINDIA/status/281115183491973120

https://twitter.com/shivendraINDIA/status/281112490375536640

And the politics and commerce

What about respect for men? What about respect for elders? What about some respect for children? Any special reason why only women should be respected? What about some respect for our leaders? For our police? For our diplomats? For our public servants?

What do we expect? Four policemen in four direction for each citizen of this country?

When we believe that some one should get more respect, we compensate and automatically respect some people less! Is this the reason why we respect some people less.

What happens when societies indulge in hysteria at periodic intervals? They react more and more … and more.

And think a whole lot less!

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  1. Citizen_of_Bharat said, on December 20, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Sir,
    I want to point out that delhi is really very unsafe for women.
    Ofcourse if the bar for being unsafe means rape then not everybody gets raped!

    But ask any women,moving out on roads is just hell especially if you are alone.People staring and making lewd comments whenever they get an opportunity.And hell breaks loose in public transport like bus.They pinch and grope at inappropriate places.
    There’s really an unsafe feeling in delhi.

    The foremost reason for all this is because of unhindered immigration from the backwards areas like haryana,bihar and UP. Labors who come from all these place are generally from socially backward villages where women is subversive and when they see the emancipation in the cities they are blown out and their sexually repressed mind starts unwinding on the poor women of delhi.

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 21, 2012 at 4:09 pm

      Just asking … Not agreeing or disagreeing!

      Being a male, I am naturally disadvantaged in being able to understand a female standpoint – unless I am led by my little finger, by someone who understands this better.

      So, I am asking …

      Are we overreacting?

      Is there too much of touch-me-not attitude in Delhi?

      I know that this touch-and-feel + pinch is true for Mumbai also.

      But, still women in Mumbai do not feel this is a big deal.

      They usually deal with such a situation

      1. With a tight slap.
      2. Indifference – and as a cost of being in a public place.

      But Mumbai is deemed to be safe for women. If you take absolute number of rapes, then the number is rather small in DEL.

      Do you think this is a case of wanting respect from males – but not respecting males enough?

      Is the objection to a poor-man touching a English-speaking, middle class woman.

      Chi! Chi!

      The brutality of this incident clearly puts this in the rakshasa category – and to be dealt with accordingly,

      Are we being fair to DEL?

      Do we want to tar millions of Dilli-waasi as brutal rapists due to actions of a few hundred men?

      I am probably in danger of being termed a MCP – but I am in the job of helping people take a 2ndlook.

      Can we take a 2ndlook at DEL?

      • Citizen_of_Bharat said, on December 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm

        No sir,i didn’t even meant that i am concerned about poor man touching middle class woman.But i am saying that it’s a general trend because mostly these peoples are involved. (Not that they are to be blamed totally,it’s the situation they live in which creates such a mindset).
        Plus,they are also away from their wife, so they are a bit…uhh…frustrated :)

        I agree with you that this mindless emotional rage is lame!
        Emotion without coupled with reason is hysteria but coupled with reason it becomes a motivator for change.

        In our society there are attributes attached to rape which are actually demeaning to the women and serve as a detterence for the victim to report. We say ‘izzat loot gayi’ when someone gets raped, which is wrong because a woman has a lot more then a unbroken hymen and a henious crime by a sick mind doesn’t in anyways make a woman any lesser than what she was before.
        I think this type of attitude entered our society during the Islamic invasion of India when woman were raped in hordes.
        This has to go.

  2. admin said, on December 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm

  3. ajamk said, on December 22, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Sir, big fan of your blog, but I’m disappointed with this summary of this article.
    I agree that there has been too much cry about woman rights on this issue. This is not only a woman’s right but a violation of human right, and violation of human rights on anyone whether they be man, woman, old, young should be viewed at equally.

    I’m also appalled at some of the comments made by the people. Talks of castration, cutting off limbs without anaesthesia, etc. How are the reactions of people better than the criminals. Also disappointed with many people saying that her life will be finished. People must be supporting her, not saying that her life is finished after this trauma.

    But I disagree with your conclusion. For such criminals psycho-analysis, case study must be done for 2 years after they are arrested and they must be given death sentence between 2-3 years. (Similar to what was done to Kasab). There should be death penalty, but no torture. Torture is not a part of our culture, but death penalty is. Since you are much more well versed in Indian history, mythology, you will know this better.

    I agree with the Indian judicial viewpoint that death penalty should be given for the rarest of rare cases, but rarest of rare does not mean zero. Cases like this must be given death penalty. Also the number of death penalties given in India must be increased dramatically depending on the kind of crimes committed, or else people will lose hope in the system and start taking law into their own hands.

    Comparing the Death Penalty with the Chinese model is not correct, since they have an authoritative government and anyone speaking viciously against their government ends up getting a death penalty over there.

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 23, 2012 at 7:39 am

      I agree that there has been too much cry about woman rights on this issue. This is not only a woman’s right but a violation of human right, and violation of human rights on anyone whether they be man, woman, old, young should be viewed at equally.

      I wonder where does this concern for human rights go, when poor children are being raped by poor people?

      Or when rich people (like actor Shiney Ahuja) rape poor people? But if a poor man rapes a middle-class, English speaking woman, thousands gather?

      Makes you think. At least it raises questions in my mind.

      I’m also appalled at some of the comments made by the people. Talks of castration, cutting off limbs without anaesthesia, etc. How are the reactions of people better than the criminals.

      I can’t see what is wrong with death for habitual murderers or murderous rapists? It is self-defence.

      Also disappointed with many people saying that her life will be finished. People must be supporting her, not saying that her life is finished after this trauma.

      Exactly my thoughts.

      But I disagree with your conclusion. For such criminals psycho-analysis, case study must be done for 2 years after they are arrested and they must be given death sentence between 2-3 years. (Similar to what was done to Kasab). There should be death penalty, but no torture. Torture is not a part of our culture, but death penalty is. Since you are much more well versed in Indian history, mythology, you will know this better.

      What is there to study about such murdering perverts. But, if there is, OK. But, death is not wrong in such cases.

      I agree with the Indian judicial viewpoint that death penalty should be given for the rarest of rare cases, but rarest of rare does not mean zero. Cases like this must be given death penalty.

      Good one.

      Also the number of death penalties given in India must be increased dramatically depending on the kind of crimes committed, or else people will lose hope in the system and start taking law into their own hands.

      Maybe mob justice with simpler, clearer principles may be better than rich-man’s justice that we have now.

      Comparing the Death Penalty with the Chinese model is not correct, since they have an authoritative government and anyone speaking viciously against their government ends up getting a death penalty over there.

      Any data on this?

  4. Abhishek jain said, on December 22, 2012 at 8:37 am

    kuch nahi ho skta hamare bharat ka,ab bas shabdo mein hi reh gaya hai ki..sare jahan se achha hindunstan humara………:(

  5. Manu said, on December 22, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Harsher punishment may not change anything…But Indian society wants to try it …. And they should get what they want

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 23, 2012 at 7:29 am

      1. Rakshasas like Vijay Palande, Simran Sud (who murdered people for their houses and cars) or these murderous rapists in Delhi are habitual offenders.

      2. Self-defence or safety reasons require quick death for such Rakshasas. Let us not have false humanity or dubious liberalism or compunctions about death penalty.

      3. The Indian Supreme Court’s rarest-of-rare principle applies to such Rakshasas.

      4. Many European societies that talk of ‘no-capital-punishment’ easily kill or support killing non-military people from other countries (like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan) quite easily.

      5. Punishment does not figure in this logic. It is self-defense and protection.

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on December 23, 2012 at 7:29 am

      1. Rakshasas like Vijay Palande, Simran Sud (who murdered people for their houses and cars) or these murderous rapists in Delhi are habitual offenders.

      2. Self-defence or safety reasons require quick death for such Rakshasas. Let us not have false humanity or dubious liberalism or compunctions about death penalty.

      3. The Indian Supreme Court’s rarest-of-rare principle applies to such Rakshasas.

      4. Many European societies that talk of ‘no-capital-punishment’ easily kill or support killing non-military people from other countries (like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan) quite easily.

      5. Punishment does not figure in this logic. It is self-defense and protection.

  6. ajamk said, on December 24, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    @Anuraag. Reading your original article I thought you were against capital punishment. Good to see that you are pro capital punishment. Also 2 years of psycho analysis, and the study of criminal’s life problems are necessary because such criminals usually lie for the 1st few months. Some criminals may come out with the truth immediately or some criminals may lie for the full duration of 2 years. Hence 2 years seems to be an ideal time frame. Behavioral studies must be made for even the most heinous criminals because it may give some insight as to why they did those crimes, and may give us some clues as to go about to stopping them. Although most cases are due to either poor upbringing by parents or struggle due to poverty or bullying by the colleagues/neighbours/family .

    Capital punishment in the west has been scrapped away because the elites over there are themselves scared of the death sentence and hence have scrapped it. It has nothing to do with humanity or any goodwill. Scrapping away of the death sentence itself is a crime against society. Keeping in mind that the economic and moral corruption in the west is much much higher than India even today. Many people will be surprised to find that the economic corruption is still quite low in India compared to the west even today. Economic corruption in the west today is leading to whole-scale thieving of whole countries like Greece, Spain, Ireland, etc and even the bigger countries like the US. Also countries like the US attacking countries like Afg, Pak, Iraq and maybe even Iran in the future is completely against all human rights laws and should warrant a death penalty for many of these elites for their economic and moral corruption. Also to keep in mind that many of the elites own jails in the west. So it is a home away from home for them.

    In short torture must not be done on even the most heinous criminals. They must be given a death sentence after the law takes its course(maybe 2 years). So the viewpoint of the Indian judiciary is correct that only the rarest of the rare cases must get a death penalty. But its implementation is wrong. Rarest of the rare in a country as big as india, the cases might run into hundreds every few years.
    Also China giving death penalty for those people who protest against the government is open news. I don’t have proper sources, but I have read about it in various places on the internet.

  7. ajamk said, on December 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    regarding economic corruption, the most important way to bring about a reduction in economic corruption is to ask the people to keep their monthly savings in silver and gold every month. i.e buy some silver and gold with whatever savings you accumulate every month and maybe keep it in the bank locker. If most of the people keep their savings in silver and gold the political elites will be helpless to bring about any drastic money printing as that will result in the escalation of the price of gold. Also some simple administrative reforms like moving towards a more free market economy, but with simple rules to check corporate monopolization and large scale computerization of land distribution, land redistribution, reducing wealth taxes and property taxes, etc can reduce economic corruption to some extent.

    Since most of the gold and silver is kept in bank lockers anyway, it is up to the ‘economic minds’ of this country to come up with schemes to properly convert the gold/silver stored in lockers into rupees. But since most the economic heads of this country either receive their higher education in the west or have western oriented education they will say gold=bad and stop buying gold as it is draining the indian economy or other such foolish statements.

    Interestingly the meaning of the word Rupee is silver.(Rupee comes from sanskrit word Raupya meaning silver), yet we use paper printed with colour ink as rupees today!!

  8. ajamk said, on December 28, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Another way one can reduce rural poverty is to eat millets like jowar, ragi, bajra, and other millets as our main cereal instead of rice, wheat as millets require a lot lesser water to grow(wheat also requires less water but can only grow in cold climate and hence is grown after the indian monsoon and so is completely dependent on irrigation). Hence growing and eating millets will also help India to eliminate hunger and poverty.

  9. ajamk said, on December 29, 2012 at 6:42 am

    gang rape victim passes away. If the perpetrators do not get death sentence, people will lose the respect for law in india.

    • JS said, on February 3, 2013 at 8:25 am

      They will lose respect even if they are punished. Its funny how childish most of these wannabe activists act like… mired in their inferiority complex and a total lack of knowledge about how laws work.

  10. Skeptic said, on October 30, 2013 at 3:29 am

    It’s not the incidence of rape that is galling. In this respect, certainly the incidence of Rape in India is lower than in the UK. But, I think in general what’s galling is that if you are influential you can get away with Rape in Indis which you may not be able to do in the UK. How many MPs and MLAs do we have with rape charges pending against them? How many senators in the U.S. are in the same situation?

    • Anuraag Sanghi said, on October 30, 2013 at 3:14 pm

      Dear Skeptic

      You should be more skeptical of your own ‘knowledge’ and certitude and check out before you say make such brash statement.

      Please check out this lonk. Check more using google.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260589/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-Report-reveals-raped-34-women-girls-sexually-assaulted-450.html

      Jimmy Saville was Procurer-In-Chief for the British Elite.

      Maybe you should also check out JFK’s sex life.

      • Skeptic said, on November 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm

        Perhaps you must take a 2ndlook at your own logic before making pompous and self-righteous statements that you are especially prone to every now and then. For every Jimmy Saville, I can point out several Indian MPs/MLAs with such cases pending against them for several years as well as running prostitution rings with child sex slaves. Do you want me to get started and play this game with me? Your comments section will fill up, Friend. Care to point out more than Jimmy Saville? Want me to start providing links to what our MPs have done? Or are you going to start resorting to name calling and call me an RNI (Resident Non Indian)? That’s your brahmastra, right? Do it!

        JFK had multiple affairs, true. Committed adultery true. But I am not aware he raped anyone. Is that what you are claiming? As for arguments go, what a non-sequitor this is! You might have done a better job by pointing out Clinton and his misconduct with Paula Jones!

        I asked some simple questions
        1. How many UK MPs and US senators have rape charges pending
        2. How many in India
        3. Compare the two numbers.
        4. Also adjust for population and again compare the two numbers

        And what did you do instead? Certainly did not answer the question. So I’ll answer them for you.

        1. How many UK MPs and US senators have rape charges pending against them: UK = 1, USA = can’t even find the links. Would you please oblige me and send me some links for present serving U.S. senators with these charges against them?
        2. How many in India: maybe 260, maybe 369. Let’s play the post some links game
        a. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2251310/A-rape-charge-bar-politicians-260-MLAs-MPs-contested-polls-facing-sexual-assault-charges.html
        b. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/lawmakers-369-face-charges-of-rape-crimes-against-women/20121221.htm
        3. Compare the two numbers. Hahahaha!
        4. Also adjust for population and again compare the two numbers: Hahahaha!

        I am not sure how you are going to wriggle your way out of this one, but I’m sure you’ll manage to do it. Can’t wait for your response. You’re a trur professional. You missed your true calling. A spin doctor! What is it about the truth that bothers you so much. After all, it is not YOU who has committed the rape. Why do you take it all so personally? So prickliness! This prickliness is preventing you from seeing the situation for what it is. You are so bothered by this that you are unable to see the situation for what it is.

        Also do not forget to abuse me as an RNI, Brown YummRikan, NRI, White worshipper, self-hating Indian and many other delightful such epithets that you seem to find so effortlessly! You know I love to hear such things from you!


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