Indians Are Racists … Yes!
Considered interchangeable, there is a wide difference Western racism and Indian preferences and keeping distance.
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Indian Caricatures
Racism In India
ravel in a Indian railway train and you will hear racist comments. Sardars are the eternal butt of racist jokes. North Indians make “Madrasis” the butt of their jokes – and Madrasis joke about North Indians. Maharashtrians crack jokes about Gujaratis and vice versa. Together, the Maharashtrians and Gujaratis joke about the ‘Thambis’, ‘Gurungs’ and ‘Bahadur’.
The whole country makes a joke about Indians versus the world – where Indians come out second best. There are other jokes about (in alphabetical order) Bengalis, Biharis, Christian ‘Pavs’, Haryanvi Jats, Malayalees, Marwaris, Muslims, Parsis, Sindhis, UP bhaiyyas – and nobody is spared. Indian parents don’t spare their own children – and crack jokes about their own “dark-er” children.
These jokes can be communal, on colour, history, behavioural traits of certain communities – but rarely on family. Parents, sisters, and wife are off limits.
My apologies in case I have missed anyone out!
How is the West different?
The West is very afraid of racism – and they should be. The Western model of genocide and racism, these jokes and ridicule, soon are taken as truth and character assessments are made. The demonisation begins and then the killing starts. The extermination of Native Americans, the Australian aborigines, the persecution of Roma Gypsies, the Jewish demonisation and the holocaust, the Irish, the Poles, the enslavement of the Africans and the subsequent discrimination – and other minorities have been persecuted, killed and massacred. Hence, this Western guardedness about racism.
Protest Against A Weak Anti Racism Bill
Racism is another form!
To see another kind of racism, travel to Hong Kong. Chinese taxi drivers and shop keepers compete for the ‘privilege’ of serving White customers. South Asians are a special target of such racial profiling. People of Indian origin possibly may not qualify to represent Hong Kong in Olympics, as they are not Chinese enough. White customers get lower rates at hotels and shops compared to others. Some Chinese companies parade White, Western investors – and the Chinese investors line up to follow ‘Western investors.’ In modern China, foreign investors are preferred over domestic entrepreneurs.
For a century, British colonial rulers did nothing about social discrimination. Finally, the Chinese authorities – in July 2008, moved to pass a law making such racist behavior illegal. I understand that Macau is also similar. This kind of racism in Hong Kong, is an interesting behavior to examine.
In Singapore, this fawning Chinese attitude is referred to AMTK – standing for Ang Moh Tua Kee syndrome. An innuendo laden phrase meaning ‘White Man With Big Stick!’. Ang Moh is semi-derogatory word for White Caucasians, actually meaning ‘red-haired’. Tua Kee is Hokkien for “big shot”. Literally, “big stick”.
What happens In India?
Do Indians practice racism in the Western manner – especially the Anglo Saxon manner? But does any Indian community get demonized?
Not any where even close to western benchmarks. Are there pogroms against these sections? Isolated incidents, yes. But not a pattern. Yes, there are isolated villages where ‘harijans’ are killed – and ‘harijans’ these days kill back. Is it state sponsored – like the European persecution of the Roma Gypsies? Most definitely not – like it has been in the West. The British Colonial administration declared various communities as ‘criminal tribes’! But Indians did not use the ‘open season’ to kill or loot these ‘criminals’?
Indian Behaviour
This stems from the Vedic tradition. Indians believe that all are वसुधैव कुटुम्बकं vasudevaih kutumbakam’ and ईसा वास्यो मिदं सर्वं ‘isa vaasyo midam sarvam’(meaning all on Earth are one family and God is in everyone and everywhere respectively).
The ‘demon’ Ravana was not demonised in Ramayana. There are numerous ‘causes’ which are given for his behaviour. Various Ramayana writers compete with other to give a balanced view of Ravana’s character. Similarly, in Mahabharata, Duryodhana and Shakuni are given balanced treatment. The ‘asur‘ king Bali is shown as a just and fair character – whose only ‘crime’ is that he is the king of asuras and cannot be allowed to become “too” powerful.
In modern India, when the Janata Party tried to demonise Indira Gandhi (like good Anglo Saxon chelas), they were soundly rejected – and Indira Gandhi won the very next election. India has the lowest prison population in the world – because we do not demonize people. Indian politicians with pending criminal proceedings are elected to the Indian Parliament. Similarly, attempts by the Congress party, to raise Gandhiji and Nehru to the level of saintliness comes unstuck. Gandhiji’s shortcomings and Nehru’s peccadilloes are discussed openly and knowingly.
India need not feel so paranoid about internal racism – but should be careful when it comes to the West. Also, Indians need not feel guilty about their own ‘racist’ behaviour and beat their breasts.
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we are not racists!! anyone who calls us racist is *@#
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you indians r the worlds biggest racists, take that cos thats ur bitter truth
truth and whites are not synonymous nor go together in a single sentence whites invented racism fascism colonialism, sexism feminism imperialism, jim crows law, segregation apartheid, ira, kkk concentration camps, color bars in Britain not allowing native indigenous Indians to vote whites are the most xenophboc bigots and have oppressed dehumanized slandered demonized all races whites invented racial classification of race by a white guy named Yohann friedrich Blumenbach in the year 1795 quit projecting your own insecurities on others who don’t have the kinds of problems your race created.
INDIA: Discrimination against the white tourist: Something particularly irritating for a ‘white man’ is that wherever he goes in India, he has to pay a special rate. Whether he visits the Taj Mahal where the ‘white’ tourist has to cough up Rs 750 to see the mausoleum, or a national museum, or even hotels or airlines, there is a true racial discrimination.
Rates are often ten times higher for those who have a ‘white’ or ‘yellow’ (Japanese) skin. Those who have made these rules do not understand that this policy harms India’s image.
The desire to make a quick buck from the so-called rich tourists leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of the visitors who in any case would have spent their budget during the stay in India. To my knowledge, India must be the only nation in the world implementing these separate rates.
yes we are racist. do go so far with foreigners, we are often racist against our own country men of other religions castes. we have to fight this.
Christian missionaries Islamic invaders both have atrocities and bloodshed hindus stay out of india you are not welcome you are crooks and try to destroy ancient cultures the judgement will be coming for you parasites soon enough. whites and muslims are devils
Unni – Hi! Thanks for your comment. I think we can be optimistic. What are the reasons for my optimism? Do read Half The World.
India suffers from the worst kind of racism in the world. It does not spare even people of same race and they commit all sort of sins and crimes against the people of their own race and others in the name of low and high castes. For example by description the race of safaiwallas resembles the dominant kshatria caste. Cobblers also resemble the dominant caste. But both dominant castes lead others in committing heinous crimes against these lower castes. A crime against lower castes is not considered a crime and sin as conscience is non exixtent. Increasing incidents of heinous crimes and humiliation of the lower castes further multiplies by induction of antisocial elements in the police and administration.
Hi Alvin ‘Mollu’ –
Social oppression is real, it exists and an eternal enemy of justice – in all societies, at all times. Japan has the burakumin, Argentina’s cartonera is another example, favelas and marginais in Brazil, or more than 100 homeless people killed ‘for sport’ in the US.
Hence, Gandhiji’s focus on social reform prior to political reform – against Babasaheb Ambedkar’s (father of the Indian Constitution) push for political solutions. Gandhiji has solutions for this.
Unfortunately, nature and God are not perfect. But unlike the West, in India defectives and ‘seconds’ humans are not forcibly sterilised or lobotomised. Also we cannot forget that non-defective humans also make mistakes.
You must, however, note that there are very few Native American or Aborigines to protest about Anglo Saxon and Western racism. The ‘persecuted’ population of the ‘lower’ classes in India is larger than the entire EU and USA – and this population is growing. Unlike the Romani Gypsies in Europe (who have just about survived to tell the tale in spite of persecution) and the Native Americans and the Australian Aborigines (in Australia) who are close to extinction.All that the West has to do today is to apologise and carry on.
If you do want to take a second look, on the nature of social reform, click on these links embedded in this reply.
Travel in a Indian railway train and you will hear racist comments. Sardars are the eternal butt of racist jokes. North Indians make “Madrasis” the butt of their jokes – and Madrasis joke about North Indians. Maharashtrians crack jokes about Gujaratis and vice versa. Together, the Maharshtrians and Gujarathis joke about the ‘Thambis’, ‘Gurungs’ and ‘Bahadur’.
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Big deal! I’m sure it’s mostly friendly banter and rarely serious. You have to be a real sensitive person to feel hurt on those friendly jokes. MEN should be able to take it without any feeling of ill-will. And a majority of Indians, be that Sardars or Madrasis are cool. You must be an ISI agent to spread disunity this way.
The West takes racist jokes seriously because it isn’t damn funny over there! They still have like 30-40% populations especially in lower, working class who can be awfully racist.
Ashish – Yes, in India it is cool and funny. Very few mind it.
In the West, it is serious because jokes leads to stereo typing, next step is racism, followed by demonisation, and then – genocide. Native Americans, Afro-Americans, Australian Aborigines, Jews, – and now Islam have paid a price for this.
Please do read the post again.
Good article. Thanks.
About the “-and now Islam” part in your last comment, have you made a study of the source of Islam – the Quran and Hadiths?
Muslims are just as good (or bad) as anyone else, and it is wrong to stereotype them. But appraising Islam is different from stereotyping Muslims.
muslims are invaders and bloodshedders. get a education on Mughal dynasty and what muslims did to trying to genocide Indians.
Jayesh – Thanks for your feedback.
Regarding Quran, Hadiths – After the study and comparison of these religions, by Kabir, Rahim, Guru Nanak Dev, I feel rather inadequate and small to do that – all over again.
Regarding Islam – The Indian Sub Continent has 7 major Muslim sects which are significantly different. One of these sects (from Gujarat) celebrate Diwali – and start their business books with new choupdas on Diwali. Only difference – instead of invoking Lakshmi, they invoke their own divinity. Indonesian Muslims look at Arjun (of Mahabharata) as their hero – while they practice Islam.
The West needs cheap Oil – and they need excuses to keep meddling in the Middle East. Hence, their demonization of Islam – and we are falling in this trap.
Also remember, Indian culture never demonizes. In fact, it humanizes demons – Ravana had his good points, King Bali was an epitome of righteousness.
May I suggest that you have a look at these posts which will expand on this idea.
The Carving Of The Middle East
Behind The Web Of Terror
India Lowers Guard
Elections – In The Land Of The Free
And this cartoon (click on the link given below) is possibly truer than we imagine. Do we want to become tools to achieve western objectives – and undermine our own interests.
Hindian railways and Hindian airlines are racist. The stickers say it all. THese stickers say if you dont speak Hindi you are not Indian. That is why the Hindians dont have to learn any language. THis is reason why Hindi editorial once said Hindis are “arrogant americans within India”. That is why Hindian Airlines, Seth Airways, Air Hindia dont have Tamil annoucments in Tamilnadu while British airways, Lufthansa, Emirates all have.
IAF is also not welcome for the non-Hindians as exams are English and Hindi. Same with the Hindian Banks.
good for Indians if Indians don’t like you then get a life and mind your own business.oh and Indians invented language if it wasn’t for Indians Sanskrit you wouldn’t have a language so quit using language if you got a problem with Indians .
ஹிந்திக்கார அராஜகமம், ஹிந்தி திணிப்பு ஒழிக.
Indians are the closed minded people, they think that they know everything and the rest of the world is wrong. They considered themselves as smartest people on the planet. I Created topic called ” Is singapore a good place to migrate?” in the forum called http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php… whenever i wrote about the negative side of singapore they appauded it but whenever I wrote positive side of singapore, the forum administrators are not happy they pushed my topic from “General Topics” To “Trash Can”.
They Consider the chinese are racist but in reality they are the worst racist of all. Indians like to argue what they say is right and refuse to listen to others opinion. They are such a narrow minded people. Indians are the most racist in the highest order and most arrogant people on the planet. There are lot of caste(race) and religious discrmination in India when it comes to jobs and education.
Amercians, Europeans, Africans and Asians are like angels compared to Indians when it comes to racism. I and few others like me are ashamed to be an Indian sometimes.
cant believe it ur saying this!! i hate when indians like u just cant resist to make negative comments bout ur own country. im proud to be an indian, a sikh and i will always be. those indians who r ashamed of them selves well I couldn’t care less and people who r rasist to us well then I couldn’t care less too
Admin Note:– I couldn’t care less has replaced an expletive. Kuldip, next time, we will simply delete your comment. No expletives, no personal attacks. Simple rules.
you are most correct, they are very narrow minded in their views, most resistant to change, and think others who re not like them, who dont like wat they like, think the way they think e.t.t. are abnormal.
Indians do know everything and language linguistics grammar literature religion surgery medicine cotton clothing first university in the world geometry trigonometry decimal system calculus laws of gravity revolution of earth quadratic formulas,binary code fiber optics numbers number zero Fibonacci numbers came from Indians as well as Vedic science astronomy Vedic arithmetic you mad? you jealous of Indians?
Individual experiences can be distorted due to various reasons. Hence, your own experience, while important, is anecdotal.
Racism implies something else – altogether! The genocide of the Native Americans in Canada, USA and Mexico is racism. The genocide of the Aborigines in Australia is racism. The disappearance of Africans from Europe is a racism. The higher mortality amongst African Americans in the US today is racism.
The West has the lowest levels of religious and ethnic diversity – and India has the highest level of diversity. Hence, your conclusion is not based on any quantitative data – but on your impressions.
Reg. the ‘oppression’ in India – please note that a classic marker of oppression is reduction in population of the oppressed. Is it logical to believe that the ‘Brahmins’ in India (who) are less than 10% of the declining population can ‘oppress’ a population which is growing – and about 6 times larger.
Fact is that the poor of India owe their genesis to the dispossession of their property by the Colonial British Government – and concentration of property in the hands of the ‘loyal’ few.
Dear “Indian” – when you say that “Americans are better than Indians when it comes to racism?” are you kidding??
When did Indians ever murder hundreds of millions belonging to another ethnic group? Or enslave an Ungodly amount of people? In Western Europe, this was tradition from thousands of years. I and others have looked “like Mexicans our whole life here” and have experienced an ungodly amount of racism. Why do you think Virginia Tech happened? The poor Chinese kid was being harrassed daily (and cruelly) by his white co students! If you are in situation where it is majority any group here: expect daily taunting, obnoxious & offensive behavior (some friends went thru from majority black setting & anyone on the quieter side became total victim of their aggression, including women of different race). US is doing as much as it can though to end the racism & harrassment in professional environments but the truth is: it will always remain in any given parties’ hearts. A friend has heard Professors even say “Indians are just typing for the Americans” &numerous offensive statements from white women, looks, etc towards “Mexican looking” folk ie us Indian Hindu women. It was only a few years back after all that Zena was portrayed as killing Hanuman in Zena the Princess Warrior Show or Indiana Jones portraying Hindus as human sacrificing people *we don’t even meat in India & rarely if we do! Find Rig Veda vegetarianism in Google!!
The purchaser of flesh performs himsa (violence) by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does himsa by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing. He who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts of the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells, or cooks flesh and eats it—all of these are to be considered meat-eaters.” (Mahabharata, Anu. 115:40)
“You must not use your God-given body for killing Gods creatures, whether they are human, animal or whatever.” (Yajur Veda, 12.32)
“One should be considered dear, even by the animal kingdom.” (Atharva Veda, 17.1.4)
“Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually serious about spiritual practices.” (Atharva Veda, 19.48.5)
this, yet, you will still see “Indians sacrificed animals”..if we ever sacrificed animals, it was most definitely out of religious context.
India cannot be any worse or better than US…except we may treat foreign populations much better even. Foreign populations here experienced great genocides, slavery, looting…India does not have a minority which experienced these things (except Muslims but it was them killing miillons of Hindus since 700AD).
from http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChristopherColumbus.html “On Sunday, he described how Spanish, Portuguese and English invaders slaughtered millions of native inhabitants. The indigenous population of the Americas plummeted from 100 million at the time of Columbus’ arrival to just three million 150 years later.
Granted, India only after Islamic invasions: created caste discrimination (call it melting pot syndrome: outside ideologies influence thr greater population- Islam- if you research also took scores of slaves (millions of slaves) or another example: Christianity doesn’t technically endorse circumcision yet since the 40’s most American men have been circumcised (Islamic Judaism belief) – (http://www.noharmm.org/mothering.htm)
Here are Vedic texts which prove Indian system did not “take slaves” nor did our system discriminate:
Shabari’s chapter in the Ramayana proves that God loves all regardless of caste, creed, gender, race, wealth and faith. Ravana, a Brahmin was slayed by Rama. So it means that the Lord does not discriminate against anyone
Vedic people had no caste or Varna divisions by birth. Rig Veda – 7/64/2 & 8/11/6 call Mitra and Varun as Kshatriyas in the ‘powerful’ sense as neither they were Kshatriya born nor were there any Kshatriya race, then. Similarly, Agni is also called Vipra or Brahmin in the sense of ‘intelligent’. R.V (112/3) says: I am a carpenter, my son a doctor& my daughter a wheat grinder. This was possible as there were no caste or work distinction based on birth &
In the Mahabharata it clearly states neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice born a brahmin or a priest; character and conduct only can decide”
Re: widow treatment (Islam means submit in Koran – especially the women folk where men are allowed four wives but the women not so! & if a woman is raped in Koran, she must provide four witnesses!)
This rik also (X.18.8), confers upon a widow full right on house and properties of her deceased husband- Rik (x.18.8) blesses a woman at her second marriage, with progeny and prosperity in this life time::Go up, O woman, to the world of living; you stand by this one who is deceased; come! to him who grasps your hand, your second spouse (didhisu),you have now entered into the relation of wife to husband.
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on the widow treatment, coincidence of course that it was only in the last couple centuries in which widows were treated so inhumanely.
I would like to add, that abroad, our Indian communities are mostly very unified- we marry across all borders & languages that make up India, attend Chinmaya mission, have our prayer rooms etc,. many of the communities do everything and anything they can to help Indians in India or abroad (my Uncle & Aunt set up an organization to help Indians here in states get adjusted)…please subscribe to the Indian newspapers to keep in touch (such as India Tribune). Most of us also ofcourse subscribe to the Indian channels on Dish Network.
I do not recall any harrassing situations in India growing up…nor have parents or other families when they visit for months at a time while here in US there are youtube videos of Anglo women out of nowhere yelling at “Mexican” girl on the street to go back to Mexico…horrific….hopefully things will get better here. And I am surprised about China harrassing Indians, but I am sure it stems from the time British were in India &perhaps their propoganda against Indians whether thru media or other channels.
China &India were friendly trading partners for 25+ centuries…perhaps the Opium war initiated by Uk to China during it’s time in India created minor animosity…India should bridge ties again as before &look at her history. I have taken a History course on Japan & Japan just like China were quite peaceful before being introduced to “Colonizers”- Japan had a wonderful hiearchial system which promoted peace, protection, and trade thru out the island. In the 50’s it set out to modernize & industrialize to keep up with the “Joneses” &the government subsidized quite a few industries &worked their pop. under difficult labor conditions (US Gdp & Gnp rose by 300% under slavery). Japan didn’t have slave labor in this past century, just difficult working conditions to meet the pressures of “modernizing” quickly to prevent “outside aggression and colonization”.
yes they re unified to indians only
good for Indians for being unified that’s the reason why Indians are superior over you why would anyone want someone who’s race isn’t unified.
Well! It is not actually harassment! It just plain simple discrimination in Hong Kong. And maybe you are right, because the Chinese in Singapore is a very reasonable person. Travelling as an Indian to Singapore, I have never felt discriminated or harassed!
Maybe the Chinese attitude springs for Western distortion of Chinese history. The 19th century Western narrative went thus – the ‘main cause’ for the Chinese ‘eclipse’ by the West was because the Chinese were ‘split’. A united bamboo stalk is strong – but what happens to ‘split’ bamboo went the Western explanation. In modern mainland China’s historiography, ‘splittist’ and ‘splittism’ are the worst crimes that any nation can commit against the Chinese nation. The Dalai Lama is a ‘split-ist’ and India is seen as giving ‘refuge’ to a ‘split-ist’.
I agree entirely that India and China should not let Western propaganda hijack the discourse. Between India, Pakistan and China, we are three nuclear powers, have nearly 40% of the world’s private gold reserves, nearly 50% of the world population – and economies growing at weighted average of nearly 7%.
And what are the reasons for our disagreements – Colonial Detritus!
Many Indians want to be white and believe in the theory of Aryans coming from Europe few thousand years ago. This theory has been contraditced based on MitoChondreal DNA analysis by Current Biology Institute while ago. The article correctly assess that the racism in India is currently not as bad as the racism in many other eastern countries.
many whites want to be indian and fake n bake dying of cancer trying to be brown. last I checked whites hijacked the word Aryan from indian Sanskrit and hijacked the indian swastika you might want to get a brain before commenting.
white people are mlecchas they are not AryaN’. whites are beefeaters .
whites cant coexist with any race in the west that’s why whites in Canada are in eastern priovinces of Canada a few reasons are whites are poor dumb fentanyl drug abusing junky addicts and jealous of other races excelling with high degrees of education. Vancouver is the most expensive province in Canada and hindus punjabs Chinese and Koreans are on top of their game .whites complain about being poor. welfare should be abolished..
typo provinces
Well, I suppose most of the examples that has been used by you are from 50 to 60 yrs back to come to the conclusion of Racism in west. People, eduction, society and way of thinking from then has changed a lot.
Secondly, you do not talk about the treatment of Chinese or white guys when they come to India. A street seller will sell a simple hand made toy for Rs200 which he is selling for Rs 10 to other Indians. If this is not considered racism then the treatment of Chinese to Indians should not be considered Racism, everything comes from experience. Usually white population give tips, ask less questions, don’t try to be stingy, keep places clean, usually more mannered, thus they get better treatment. Secondly, its just socially they are considered as superior by local/usually uneducated/poor people reason being they have more money and yes their ancestors have ruled ours.
Now, looking through the prism of reality, the racism comes from the section or people who are incompetent so they need a person or class to hate, to put reasons of their failure on, or from a class which has been educated in hatred since beginning of childhood against another class or has been educated to be superior than others.
Given the current poverty and competition among us all in current India, scientifically we to be more racist or fighting on petty issues is more likely.
You become racist or discriminating when you see you are gaining something out of it, in western society they have tried to eliminate – personal gains using unethical manners, thus the society there is improving (at least in US, I do not know about other countries) but in India I haven’t seen if there is any ethical or moral improvement happening in past few decades, in fact its declining.
Secondly, people who claim about being the victim of racism in current culture in US are mainly who are not that competent, I have bunch of smart friends all good and been successful, they were frustrated in India but have never complained in US, however I have another friend who isn’t that smart he used to be frustrated in India and used to complain about racism and here too he talks about being victim of racism, however after listening to his talk to me he usually appears to be too prejudiced and he sounds to be more racist to people who are more competent than him and apparently non-Indians.
I think rt now what India need is middle class, young people to join politics, and stop wasting time of glorifying our not that really great past, instead make our present and future glorifiable.
I wouldn’t judge those who experience “racism” in the west as being incompetent.
It is one of those things that can happen to anyone so your view of what happens in India or the west is a very distorted one, it is all personal and individual experiences.
An Indian Hindu fellow I knew was 4.0 GPA Masters & Undergrad in Engineering and he went through racism from white men. He makes over $100k. Does he count as an “incompetent”? How racist of you to call him incompetent!!!! orMost of families we know are doctors, engineers as incompetents!!! and racism from majority race or other races is not a daily thing, but it has happened for them and can happen in any setting. If you know five people in US who have been there for five years and nothing happened, then it is still a limited scope. And in west, you can be fired for anything, racism or not or not promoted- they don’t have to share the finer details with you!! Or the Professor saying to the white kids “Indians are just typing for the Americans?” who is incompetent there Nitin. you have some glorified and deluded image of what goes on in other countries by some miniscule scope of knowing a few people who were frustrated in India but are having a great time in US after being here for few years only. That is really childish actually, and I wouldn’t speak for all Indians abroad who happen to be the 2nd most successful ethnicity in US (my family included is all COMPETENT so to speak docs, lawyers etc). Please take off the rose colored glasses and your limited understanding. maybe your friends are just in sexual heaven since there are not women and teens parading nude in public India nor in every city in India doing naked dances for $5 lol, I think your friends are in foreign heaven of some sort.
If walking into a $900 apartment in the dead of winter is all it takes to experience a bunch of rowdy white drunk guys saying Mexican slang words is justified because you think someone is incompetent, you have a very skewed and narrow minded sense of reality. How do you define incompetent? how stupid that sounds!I take back that is an ungodly amount of racism-for myself only few instances, and for friends of ours who are engineers, doctors, and accountants or the arrogance that they have experienced from white coworkers or bosses, they have also experienced it here and there.please do not become an Uncle Tom talking about things you do not know, nothing is more pathetic Nitin lol so take off your rose colored glasses, they are giving you incompetent judgements an incompetent perceptions 🙂
I do not think there was incompetence either from the Chinese kid experiencing daily harrassment from whites…but the thing you have to realize is that it happens only few times and most people will experience it here and there after many years; we know of friends of relatives who came home early from their stay in Britain recently because of racism. And are you calling the Sikhs incompetent? are you calling all the Indians in Australia incompetent? There was also a Japanese man who was killed by whites in US for no reason other than him being Japanese. His car broke down and a white man killed him. Did he do anything incompetent?
Nithin, racism is a part of life. It is just a question of which race has a history of aggression towards foreign races, India does not have that history so it is difficult for you to understand that it exists on a subtle or individual to individual level. Is all of India as an example, human sacrficing? as was portrayed in Indiana Jones? were the Indian women killed for wearing their bindhis “incompetent” by the racist ‘dot head gangs’?
Is all the work being done by Hindus Against Defamation Organization for the incompetents? You are really silly and very incompetently un aware of the real world, and biased perhaps because sex from teenage girls comes much easier in other countries than in India.
Well Prem …
Actually … I will take Nitin position’s forward …
1. Let us grant that ‘most’ of these Indians who were ‘victimized’ were in fact incompetent. Completely and totally incompetent.
2. Does that give a right to ‘superior’ people – regardless of their skin colour, to attack, beat up, knife, use iron rods and pipes, against the already disadvantaged.
Exactly it is like saying the Sikhs who died in racial attacks in US after 9’11 are incompetent or those students in Australia studying are. I have seen white men make videos making fun of turban wearing people; For them, their racism extends to actions and even for the women.
Indians to Indians, it is never that hostile &Indians to foreigners, still not that hostile.
But it is good to know there are Uncle Toms among us or as some friends have met Muslims posing as Indian Hindus or Indian Sikhs, or Arabs pretending to be Christian when they are Muslim abroad 🙂 who either by their sheer innocence do not have a clue that many races do grow up as Nitin said with pride in their race &to extent they are hostile towards foreign races.
The one thing Indians abroad have to understand is that if it not your own race, you are dealing with a mixed bag and that every race has the same pride we have in our own except we are not that hostile towards our own to beat them up for just being fellow of our own race.
Many are also jealous of India’s ancient history &our holding our culture &religion while their culture & religion is their tv most of the time, so you can expect hostility from these groups or the ones that are also disadvantaged (whose own cultures were robbed by whites).
It is an individual, group, and historical phenomenon. Nitin, India’s history as noted by archaelogical finds and our Hindu temples going back to 2800 BC, yet there are books in high schools in US teaching “aryans from 1500 Bc civilized the dravidians of India”. India needs to wake up and realize that we will forever have only ourselves to defend our culture, our religion, literatures ,our history, and our country.
and being naive about other’s “feigned supremacism” and who deemed it necessary to exploit India of it’s wealth for 100 yrs should be enough to make you wake up. Did the British or whites exploit and plunder the wealth from other “white” countries? Absolutely not. Why are the largest diamonds from India sitting in white countries US and Uk such as Hope and Kohinoor? Where did all the gold and rubies from India go Nithin? to the competents or the incompetents?
But it does mean it that all of India was incompetent from not defending from racist outsiders, not specific Indians, and for being so naive towards their racism.
Exploitation from white to white countries has never happened and will never happen as it also happened to South America. how do you think by the way the term dirty came about? dirt is simply soil, which is necessary for gardens and all life (food for humans, trees). when you hear someone say ‘he is dirty” “she is dirty:”do you not think that is racist? the word dirty itself is a racist term meant to subjugate tanner races.
see Origin of North Europeans video maybe it will help shed some light on the newer race of mankind 🙂 who by themselves, are their own race, and for many of them there is “superior” feelings whether they are subtle about it, outwardly aggressive towards others of foreign races or not.
It’s not just whites r outwardly racist. You made good point about how Indians by ourselves are more peaceful towards other races; someone at work overheard these Mexican girls bashing on Chinese people, just idiotic bigoted comments for sake of it; both of the girls looked white-ish; I think with Mexicans they are trying to maintain identity in states while assimilating but they see life in same way whites do; but a friend whose a teacher noticed mostly whites and mexicans don’t mix especiallyfor girls, they stick to own. race is part of life &so are feelings of comfort of being with your own;
Regarding who gets elected into India’s congress – please type into Google facts of Indira gandhi topix forum – we have had a Muslim/catholic running Congress since british left India
There is no justification for any ‘type’ of racism – you just cannot compare ‘Western racism’ and ‘Indian racism’. It’s racist, and it’s wrong.
Indians tend to be the least (and I emphasize that) socially extrovert in any western country. The stick to their own. They don’t share their culture with others, and refuse to accept anyone elses.
Why do you think they are attacked in Australia?
While there is no justification for that violence – at the same time, it’s not surprising either. Do Indians deserve that? Morally speaking, no. But its still a result of their own doing.
u seriously indian. Us indians share our culture with others and get that straight in ur head but ofcourse dogs like u make our country a piece of
spectacleinfront of others. Im not saying that indians arnt at all racist but there not as racist as u think. though i do live in australia and dont no much bout india but i do no that their are many many people who r not at all indian but r still racist. U said that us indians dont share our culture with others, and refuse to take anyone elses, well heres a simple note for u, im one of the most known person in my scool and trust me i share my culture and accept theirs, which is a lot to accept.A question for u… how old r u?
How are Indians exactly responsible for these attacks? Are you even in your right mind? What do you want Indians to do ? Change their name?, change their religion? Change their attire and language? for “assimilating” in another society?. How many foreigners who come to India learn Hindi? How many of them wear Indian attire? How many convert to Hinduism or any other dharmic religion? Rings some bell Mr. Rahul?. Indians should not engage in anti social activities or anything that might disturb the peace of their neighborhood, what goes your father’s if Indians wear a dhoti or a lungi instead of pants and jeans? What goes your father’s if Indians visit temples instead of catholic church? What goes your father’s if Indians speak Hindi at home ? Indians are attacked because they have lots of Macaulay idiots within them (Yes Sir, you definitely belong to this league). Now let’s see, Chinese, unlike Indians change their names to sound western, most of them convert to chrisitianity for petty jobs that the pastor of the church promises them. So what? Chinese are still made fun of , they are still represented with racist views, maybe you should check out forums where regular americans meet and greet and discuss about “niggers”, “slant eyed yellow pigs” , “stinky job stealing Indians” and so on…. You are a pathetic idiot if you seriously believe that Indians are responsible for inviting these attacks. Yes, Indians are responsible because they don’t hijack planes and crash them in WTC, they don’t rape white girls , they don’t protest over every single insult to their religion and culture… whites shit in their pants when they even think about taliban getting big enough and influencing the white hegemony… May Indians should similarly inculcate fear by mass murder, rape,loot, protest, threats to gain respect in these societies isn’t it Rahul. Indians try their best to good citizens and mind their own business, little do they know that it is their biggest mistake.
Simultaneously,the West speaks of protecting individual freedom, and on other hand of assimilation, integration. West’s need for conformance are nothing but refurbished implementation of the ‘settled’ principle in the Desert Bloc of ‘cuius regio, eius religio’ (meaning whose land, his religion; CRER). The ruler decided his people’s religion. Western Europe continues with its sterling record of intolerance, xenophobia, the push for ‘assimilation and integration’.
Pulled apart by an instinctive tendency towards imposition of standards, uniformity (aka ‘assimilation’ and ‘integration’) and a conscious, felt need to broaden the mental canvas and the borders of the European sub-conscious. The need for ‘integration’, the concerns over the slow ‘assimilation’ of the Mexicans in the American melting pot, the Islamo-phobia, the Compulsive Jihadic Syndrome, are all sides of the same cube.
The West can speak from both sides of the mouth. Nicholas Sarkozy can tell Indians (i.e.Manmohan Singh) to respect foreign missionaries, who want to convert Indians to their religion – while the West can continue with this demonization of Islam in Europe. Would Sarkozy like to mention any other country where such a large minority Muslim population, has greater freedom and opportunity, than in India? Would you like to suggest France instead?
The schizophrenic Christian aggression in India combined with hysterical protests against any backlash are symptoms of the same ideological thread. The Christian West does not want the Muslims in Europe to have any freedom (of dress of places of worship) – but expect complete freedom to proselytize and convert in India.
While the West talks about the respect for the individual, facts are otherwise.
Why should Indians be anything but Indians? We don’t expect Indian Chinese to be anything but Chinese. Raj Thackeray’s campaign for ‘conformance’ finds very few takers. We don’t expect foreigners to become Indians in India.
We stick together as much as every other race or ethnicity does whether Italians and their baptisms &many other religious rituals, or Jewish and their barmitzvahas or Greeks and their specific foods, dances, weddings.
And what do you mean “they” the Indians refuse to accept others cultures? I am an India from India and “we” are not so intolerant that we have aggressive Hindu missionairies converting the poor whites or mexicans or blacks in America nor Europe! nor as an actual Indian can I refer to others of my own race as a “they”. Be specific please about what aspects of other cultures we do not integrate with. Do we not watch tv? movies? go to nightclubs? watch sports? eat out? Even Mark Twain stated “India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only” and he served as Vp in council of International affairs and had side gig as historian! the oldest religion of mankind is in India…please go thru this website gosai.com on Vedic history. The goal of euro poplation in India has always been to convert or degrade Hindu population to Christianity (and nor are we human sacrificing per Indiana Jones depiction &vegetarianism was born in our Hindu Vedic literatures and have been followed for 5000 yrs, majority India is still vegetarian!) and out of our Vedic past..
As Anuraag pointed out, if in Ireland do hindus not frequent the pubs?if in US do they not frequent clubs or sporting events, movies, or restaurants or go to Vegas? I am pretty sure we love the cultures in these countries wherever we are!! I just recently saw Twighlight the movie, and I loved it. I have seen 500 American made movies in my lifetime and enjoyed a majority of them, am I not accepting enough of other’s culture? I have spent majority of my paychecks after rent on American dress, foods, books, and music- is that not accepting? 15 years of salary!
Hindu women as example do not dare to wear Indian dress in work or school settings if outside India nor do we force our religion on others. is that not accepting enough of others cultures?
One is Chinese Buddhist who celebrates Chinese holidays and eats Chinese food daily, another a Puerto Rican attending annual Puerto Rico Day parade, another is gay male attending Gay pride parade and scores of gay parades and events through out the year, another is French Catholic who enjoys the French wines &foods &Catholic church &church events. No differences when you allow each of these groups to practice their own heritage while assimilating to majority…Hindus do not demand Sanskrit be taught in US, nor Hinduism to be preached about in the churches, WHILE India accepted English as first language! What world will it be when Hindus in states demand Hindi as national language in a Euro country or US? Hindi and Sanskrit r indigenous to India as English is to US (a branch of Latin which came about 6th cent bc and Italian much later even around 1200ad)
I have never heard of any demands made. We work, study, play like the majority but in our private time we have our own specific foods we eat and religion in manner we do not expect Irish catholics to give up their Irish foods and religion when in India. So please just be specific…and yoga, transcedental meditation, books on Ayurveda and chakras, Bollywood movies, Bhangra, Indian restaurants, Indian stores whether food or jewlery, Hindu temples ARE OPEN AND FREE TO EVERYONE TO ENJOY!so there is no us Hindu Indians are NOT ACCEPTING, WE ARE ALWAYS ACCEPTING of other’s and for them to know our culture!!
17 million Hindus died from famines imposed by UK (taking of evry last resource including wheat and rice stores) so I think it would be fair to say the Irish would stick together or French having ties among each other if it was in reverse and 17mllion white Frenchmen died at hands of India taking everything from France or France Gdp plummeting by 20 percentage points while India colonizers exploited France over a 100 years time. There is already a brotherhood among Frenchmen, or Germans- language ties them culture, tastes in food, religion, dress, color of skin even! Respecting other cultures means knowing they respect yours and I think Indians abroad do respect and enjoy the cultures abroad! But it doesn’t mean they have to sacrifice or forget their own, the day that happens we lose 5,000 years of history, customs, and our religion which was born in India and written in Sanskrit, our own language and wha is known to have given birth to the Indo european lanugages sinces Bhagavad Gita was written in 2800bc.
Again, French Russian or Germans are always welcome in India & to eat whatever they would like at home, watch French made movies in their personal home in India,and maintain their religious identity& language even while in India and as long as none imposes theirs to others in the country or work or school settings which Hindus definitely do not, then I think you will have to be more specific about where you have seen Hindus not accept others.
We are so accepting as Anurag stated that even Muslims have more rights in India than Hindus abroad will ever have in Arab countries where the population of Muslims must be 98% or higher, or even Italy where Durga puja is not allowed but becoming Catholic is! &when has India ever killed indigenous Italians to India when Europe murdered the Roma gypsies (MATERNAL DNA is from India) hundreds of thousands of them in WW2 and did not allow them to enter their schools from time of Hitler? Roma gypsies are forced to live in camps and have since the40’s I am pretty sure India is alot more accepting of white Italians than other way around and thse same gypsies are posting on websites they will convert to Christianity to please just accept them but there is so much racial discrimination against them since they do not have white skin or because they are frm India & India must be bad since it has not been fully converted to Islam or Catholicism or Christianity, though 30% of her land was given to Muslims in 1947 under direction of uk (map of bharat varsha 6th century bc) Please provide specifics on your statements otherwise they are baseless.
Rahul – Let us ‘assume’ you are ‘right’ and ‘agree’ with your ‘thesis’.
1. Indians do not ‘conform’, ‘integrate’ or ‘assimilate’ into ‘host’ societies.
I have one issue with that. One, what possible harm can Indians cause if they decide to wear ‘curtains’ – instead of Western dresses. What logical problem could Westerners have if Indians wish to continue with Indian food? What if Indians want to call their ‘God’ by a different name? How can any of these issues be a problem!
Coorgis in India have lived for centuries with a religion which is indeterminate. Rest of India does not want them to be ‘accept’ Indian culture. There are ‘siddis’ (from Africa) living of the Gujarat Coast – who have been left completely alone. No one is bothered about what they eat, who they worship and what their lifestyle is? There are Chinese in India, who remain for all purposes Chinese.
I would like you to name one (just one) country where Muslims have greater freedom than India. The Muslim hijab, burqa, beards or skull caps don’t make the rest of India worried.
Since, Indian are used to this kind of logic, live and brought up with this sanskaar, are you being realistic to expect Indians to become rabid xenophobics at home and suppress their own culture abroad? How come the West has problems?
Nitin – I have already answered the ‘inferior’ Indian argument earlier!
Everything you have written Anuraag is true re over propagandize their history or distort general history to support “white supremacy” or colonialism (expolitation, plundering, slavery) and of course South American genocides are not mentioned in US textbooks (see in US Holocaust Museum search South American Genocide or view this article by typing South America genocide Christopher Columbus Daniel Paul) A friend mentioned a high school class in west, poster on Early Civilizations well made &thought out, alot of pictures. On the poster Egypt &Greece&Rome. They admit the Greeks went thru a dark ages that’s why their first literatures were in 700BC by Hesoid. But Indus Valley Civilization is not mentioned: the literatures from India &temples (most ancient), the irrigation &first plumbing systems existed 2 millenia before Greek writings and Italian is new to 600AD. The Egyptian pyramids you have to realize were built at same time of Indus Valley Civilization 3000BC but for Euros this important civilizaton is better left for us Hindus to note!& it counters their argument in the textbooks that Aryans in 1500Bc civilized the Dravidians. It’s like us in India completely voiding a huge chunk of Euro history when teaching general history- it would be odd..of course it will never be mentioned on all the ancient Universities in India ie Takshashila etc and the 60 subjects taught in 700 BC, or the oldest maths Sulba Sutras 800 BC. The minimum Hindus can do abroad is to know about American Hindus Against Defamation- it’sone thing to void our history in their books or distort it but another when they portray Zena killing Hanuman in a show (Superman was inspried by God Hanuman flying over city of Lanka).
Anurag,
Valid points, I agree …
“I have one issue with that. One, what possible harm can Indians cause if they decide to wear ‘curtains’ – instead of Western dresses. What logical problem could Westerners have if Indians wish to continue with Indian food? What if Indians want to call their ‘God’ by a different name? How can any of these issues be a problem!”
No. They cannot do any harm, and you know, most Western societies don’t seem to have any problems with that at all. On the contrary, they admire this and find it fascinating.
The problem here is not with the minority of Indians who do all the things they can to be respectful to other societies, as you and Prem tell me. I think the problem is with the vast majority who don’t.
I’ve only been to India once in my life for a rather short holiday, so I can’t have any opinions on the things you mention. However, in some other countries it is, unfortunately, a different story. I don’t intend on continuing this far fetched discussion – it has no end.
And you know, perhaps it isn’t right to label Indians as “racists” – that’s generalisation – however, I feel that the majority of Indian immigrants in Western society could do a lot more to improve the way others perceive them.
And Indians don’t do that! Therefore, it is open season against Indians.
Just go after dem Indians – with sticks, bats, pipes, chains, guns. People from the ‘host’ nation can kick them, beat them, kill them, maim them, gang up on them, break their hands and legs. Of course, in some cases these Indians also die. Too bad.
These Indians invited it on themselves. Why blame the poor people from the host nations.
Rahul – Your logic is awe-some, jaw-dropping. Abso-fab-lutely, magnificent logic!
Ah yes, as predicted – sarcasm.
I admire your sense of patriotism. Why accept and try to mend the flaws of society when you can bathe in its glory, right?
To the latest Rahul – I suggest you comment with one standard practice!
I wonder why you hide behind different names, ids, etc.
Your IPs are different, you arin codes are different, you email IDs are different, you tone is different.
For the time being I am going to ignore you!
Hello again – so once you’ve been cornered, you resort to abuse and a typical “patriotic” stance.
You prove my point.
what point **?? If you have an itch of dissing your identity and putting on white paint to assimilate in west, so be it, if a white guy attacks an Indian, it is indeed the white guy’s biogted views and inferior mentality that forces him to do so. Although, western likes to stick to their own kind and portray them in a better light, the reality remains that Indians do get injured/killed for doing absolutely nothing !!! You really are a *unrealistic* if you seriously expect me to talk to my grandmother who lives in a small town back in India in westernized english!!! I can only imagine how funny and awkward that conversation would be ….. It is rather surprising that there are idiots like you who still hold such beliefs, in short, you are an idiot to believe that Indians are responsible for their deaths because someone else thought that they were offending his/her culture …. :’)
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Sridhar – No personal attacks or pejoratives.
Over the centuries millions of Hindus have been convertd to Christianity or Islam in India the divide rule policy works like this: impoverish, convert. I am grateful that the vast majority of Hindus abroad do not convert abroad with aggressive missionairies targetting the impoverished. There are only 1 million Hindus abroad in US and 30 million Christains in India that were once Hindu (Catholic church doesn’t recognize Christian by the way) hundreds of mosques and churches are being built from temple money and over temples. We have had a Muslim,Catholic Congress since time of British (this is why Ceylon is now another country SL as of 1974) &why Indira Khan used her media weapon to kill thousands of innocent Sikhs even when Military Gen Jagjit Singh Arora and whole Sikh army was against it. The voting banks are completely scewed with new conversions daily..Indians abroad you can vote in consullate offices, and look into actual Hindu organizations such as RSS and BJP.
I am wondering when Hindus will run US congress or Muslim countries, it will never happen, yet they are running India’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZl3VefPtCw Secularism in India exposed.
The racist attacks on Indians has been going on since 2004 in Australia
see violence against Indians in Australia in Wiki, there have been hundreds of attacks on Sikhs abroad see Racist Attacks on Sikhs in Google since 9/11. I found good blog about what is going on in Australia : See Racist attacks against Indians in Australia an anthropologists take, 2 noteworthy articles in Google are by blog.livemint.com and businessweek.com under same title. It is also noteworthy that 50% of doctors abroad in US are Indian & 30% of engineers. The cabdrivers in Australia are in school studying &we don’t know of a single India woman who is not working or going to school or both. I think there is jealousy and pure racial discrimination at work, since I have seen and heard many from different race call us “third world” etc, even Indian muslims who are riding on India’s successes in India or abroad.
Prem – It would be rather sad is if we try and gain parity with the Desert Bloc.
1. Desert Bloc invented religion – and we Indics don’t need to accept religion as the basis of comparison or parity. The region of Bharat-ah invented Dharma – which stands for equity and freedom, unlike religion.
2. We Indics in my view should not accept or reject people on the basis of their religious identity or affiliations – but on the basis of their track record and actions.
3. Especially, if as a follower of Indic values (Bharatiya sanskriti) cannot succumb to white-wash or tarring of entire populations because of actions by the ruling group.
4. Because the Indian Government indulges in some pretty sleazy actions does not mean I am guilty by extension. The same logic holds true for individuals in the China, USA, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.
5. To my mind, we should look at the governing principles and actions (and the alignment between the two) rather than trying to condemn or lionize individuals. Talk is cheap.
As an American I have to say that racism… in fact the very concept of ‘the other’… makes me incredibly uncomfortable in the “Run very fast in the opposite direction” way. Perhaps, as a person descended from a family that was pruned by WW2, I am a touch overly sensitive but even racist directed against races I am not a member of makes me want to go ELSEWHERE very rapidly. Other forms of prejudice give me similar reactions.
I cannot presume my reaction is universal, but I do know many other Jews in my community have similar reactions. So, if India possess open racism, they may harm their ability to do buisness with Ashkenazi Jews, or at least ones coming from Iowa. We will be too busy fleeing with abandon to spend money on goods and services.
Indians worship cows and hurt humans……jokers
I couldn’t care less u VG. If indians worship cows and hurt humans then u must be an indian as u are a JOKER and hurting a human.
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lol wut?
Indians are not worshipping cows. They are leaving them to die on the roads. my blood is boiling.
VG. get out of here. at one side cows are dying in india and you see us worshipping them. i dont see cows in my town . they are gone. i have been trying to get cow’s milk for 2 years now.
i have had enough with white people saying that we are giving a free hand to the cows and leaving the people to starve.
fools cows eat grass(cannot be digested by humans) and turn it into digestible milk. they are creating food. not stealing from people.
even their shit has the power to save the world.
right now . we are using chemical fertilisers which are poisoning the ground water . soon we will run out of drinkable water. this will result in 3rd world war.
but cow dung can save us. it is the best fertiliser.
put some earth worms in. you can grow gold in the fields and feed the world with 10 billion population and yet maintan biodiversity.
save the cows people.
mr nitin and ”indian?” u hav to read koran and bible ,
compare with any hindu granths
u got ur all ansr
Oh yes if u think INDIANS are racist in INDIA … u should see them in the US!… They think they are WHITE PEOPLE… Whites say they smell like BAD CURRY and ARM PITS… Horrible smell.. Just horrible.. Watching Indians kiss WHITES asses Is sickening… But INDIANS are some of the smartest people I have ever met.. So it amazes me how STUPID they can be when they are around Whites…
Yes we indeedingly are smart and since we are smart i will make a note that indians r not as racist as you think as there are many other people who r racist and more then half of them are white people. I live in australia with whites all around me and it amazes me how stupid they can be when they are around indians.
India should make all of their women take birth control and then import millions of people from Iceland and Norway to populate their country. That way, India will be a great nation with beautiful people.